Who can Magneto + Adamantium beat?

Originally posted by janus77
Don't see Magneto as being powerful enough to decapitate Hulk.
And even if it was possible, I don't see how that's going to stop Hulk, given what ZomStrange did to Hulk, twice, during their fight.

Even without the metal, magneto could beat the savage hulk, with it he'd certainly beat WWH.

Originally posted by 753
he is and it'd stop the hulk, alright.
wolverine is trong enough to pierce the hulk's skull. Magneto can accelerate adamantium shrapnel like a rail gun and rip him to pieces. Not to mention, encase him in a box he isn't getting out from anytime soon.

Even without the metal, magneto could beat the savage hulk, with it he'd certainly beat WWH.

I've never seen anyone decapitate Hulk or even cut through a limb and given the kinds of characters he's fought I think his durability is well beyond having Magneto do that.

Also, this being "WWH" Green Scar, we have it on record what "133x the maximum power of Hercules' punch" can do ... Again, I'd say that's several orders of magnitude more than Magneto can hope to approach. And still that wouldn't "cut it" (yes, pun intended).

And, even if we were to accept that Magneto was more powerful than ZomStrange (Strange channelling Zom's physical power), you still have to give a good reason why the effect would be anything more than what happened in that fight.

ZomStrange punched through Hulk's torso, twice, big holes, clean through. Neither time did he even give Hulk pause. Hulk just healed right up, within a panel or two, whilst he carried on fighting.

Decapitation's never happened, but we've seen that Hulk functions without trouble, even if you slice chunks of his brain off, if you rip his heart out, if you rip apart his chest ...

There's just no evidence that decapitation would do anything other than lead to Hulk regenerating in a panel or two and being 3x more durable and powerful as a result.

And that's if we go down the route of speculating that Magneto with these advantages is more powerful than ZomStrange.

And ofcourse that Hulk will just stand there and not try to defend himself.

So, no can't see that happening at all.

Originally posted by 753
he is and it'd stop the hulk, alright.
wolverine is trong enough to pierce the hulk's skull. Magneto can accelerate adamantium shrapnel like a rail gun and rip him to pieces. Not to mention, encase him in a box he isn't getting out from anytime soon.

Even without the metal, magneto could beat the savage hulk, with it he'd certainly beat WWH.

Originally posted by janus77
[B]Just don't see it as feasible. And during WWH Hulk took more damage with zero effect, I don't see Magneto (even on his very best day) being able to match the physical output of ZomStrange. Or even the barrage effect of the army that was reigning down adamantium bullets on Hulk.

as for the actual damage zomstrange did, magneto could replicate and exceed that with the metal. strange's power output in the arc was underhelming compared to what zom's power levels are supposed to be.

I've never seen anyone decapitate Hulk or even cut through a limb and given the kinds of characters he's fought I think his durability is well beyond having Magneto do that.

again, wolverine has pierced the hulk's skull. the power magneto wields is far above wolverine's strengh.

Also, this being "WWH" Green Scar, we have it on record what "133x the maximum power of Hercules' punch" can do ... Again, I'd say that's several orders of magnitude more than Magneto can hope to approach. And still that wouldn't "cut it" (yes, pun intended).

And, even if we were to accept that Magneto was more powerful than ZomStrange (Strange channelling Zom's physical power), you still have to give a good reason why the effect would be anything more than what happened in that fight.

ZomStrange punched through Hulk's torso, twice, big holes, clean through. Neither time did he even give Hulk pause. Hulk just healed right up, within a panel or two, whilst he carried on fighting.

Decapitation's never happened, but we've seen that Hulk functions without trouble, even if you slice chunks of his brain off, if you rip his heart out, if you rip apart his chest ...

magneto could:
1. tax out his HF.
2. destroy his brain/cut off his head.
3. quarter his body and separate the parts
4. use the metal to prevent regeneration.
5. put him in a block of metal, he won't break free from.
6. mix and match the above

There's just no evidence that decapitation would do anything other than lead to Hulk regenerating in a panel or two and being 3x more durable and powerful as a result.

And that's if we go down the route of speculating that Magneto with these advantages is more powerful than ZomStrange.

you are completely ignoring the properties of adamantium and how it has cut through thor, nefaria and gladiator, all more durable than hulk, with very little effort.

And ofcourse that Hulk will just stand there and not try to defend himself.

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk already took a barrage of adamantium bullets, from Ross and his team, during WWH. It didn't "rip him to pieces", he was just more durable as the situation required it.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
This is Magneto with 1 ton of primary Adamantium. Also, this Magneto is at the height of his power and is willing to kill w/o a second thought. Not a gauntlet. Just post how many wins you think he can pull off (if any) vs the characters below.

Magneto is allowed 5 seconds to reshape his adamantium however he chooses before every encounter. BFR IS OFF.

-Nova Prime
-Black Adam
-Thor
-WWHulk
-DCNU Superman
-Silver Surfer
-Darkseid
-H'el
-HP DD

Opponents fight "in character" but is allowed to use their exotics if they feel they need to in order to win.

To be specific, he can decapitate (or send a spike through the brain or heart) through everyone with the possible exception of HP DD (not sure here).

it's actually pretty tough to see anyone winning a majority against except ds, and i say he could because i'm presuming the OE will work through his shields and ds would win the quickdraw. ss could if he goes for the immediate genetic attack, and said attack goes through mags' shields. he's also fast enough to simply evade mags until he gets up a shield that can protect him. if he fights like he normally does, he'd likely get an adamantium spear through his heart from behind. and yes, that would kill him for certain imo.

the brutes don't really have any chance. they could be caged and eliminated at mags' leisure. neither hulk nor dd will simply break free from half a ton of adamantium. he could use the other half and control it to enter their bodies, harden in their brains or hearts or lungs or all the above. if they adapt or heal, he could decapitate them then sheath them in adamantium. i guarantee hulk ain't growing a new head if he's coated in adamantium.

thor's hammer could be halted, if only for a moment while a spear kills him from behind.

supes is interesting--his durability might be enough to prevent him from being cut--maybe--but mags could still get it inside him. hell, he could break it down into a mist they breathe then reassemble it inside them if he really tried. nova i don't see having a real chance and h'el i can't say.

it really depends on how creative mags can get. if he just uses the stuff to bat people around, many more would beat him.

Surfer has been pierced before and while it seemed like it hurt im a bit when he got pierced, he was then walking around nonchalantly with the harpoon stuck to his side and simply "liquified/shifted" his body around the harpoon to remove it. So, it can be argued that Surfer would survive the slice and dice.

He's also had showings where he simply changed his form (to snow most recently) into many different fragments. And one where he's been (arguably) been sliced and diced and simply reformed (some argue that it was a "mind rape" but that was never proven on-panel).

As for DS, it would be a quickdraw, IMO. But with Mags having shielding and being able to protect himself via the Adamantium, will have to see DS's OE/OB bypass items/shielding up to Mag's level or transmutation that allowed him to pierce armor the likes of primary Adamantium.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's actually pretty tough to see anyone winning a majority against except ds, and i say he could because i'm presuming the OE will work through his shields and ds would win the quickdraw. ss could if he goes for the immediate genetic attack, and said attack goes through mags' shields. he's also fast enough to simply evade mags until he gets up a shield that can protect him. if he fights like he normally does, he'd likely get an adamantium spear through his heart from behind. and yes, that would kill him for certain imo.

the brutes don't really have any chance. they could be caged and eliminated at mags' leisure. neither hulk nor dd will simply break free from half a ton of adamantium. he could use the other half and control it to enter their bodies, harden in their brains or hearts or lungs or all the above. if they adapt or heal, he could decapitate them then sheath them in adamantium. i guarantee hulk ain't growing a new head if he's coated in adamantium.

thor's hammer could be halted, if only for a moment while a spear kills him from behind.

supes is interesting--his durability might be enough to prevent him from being cut--maybe--but mags could still get it inside him. hell, he could break it down into a mist they breathe then reassemble it inside them if he really tried. nova i don't see having a real chance and h'el i can't say.

it really depends on how creative mags can get. if he just uses the stuff to bat people around, many more would beat him.

excellent post. I agree with you.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Surfer has been pierced before and while it seemed like it hurt im a bit when he got pierced, he was then walking around nonchalantly with the harpoon stuck to his side and simply "liquified/shifted" his body around the harpoon to remove it. So, it can be argued that Surfer would survive the slice and dice.

He's also had showings where he simply changed his form (to snow most recently) into many different fragments. And one where he's been (arguably) been sliced and diced and simply reformed (some argue that it was a "mind rape" but that was never proven on-panel).

As for DS, it would be a quickdraw, IMO. But with Mags having shielding and being able to protect himself via the Adamantium, will have to see DS's OE/OB bypass items/shielding up to Mag's level or transmutation that allowed him to pierce armor the likes of primary Adamantium.

This is true, Surfer has molecular control over his body, so any kind of attempt to damage his body with Adamantium would likely just be reversed.

He lose to all them

He loses to all

Lord Magnus Reigns Over All

Originally posted by 753
he is and it'd stop the hulk, alright.
wolverine is trong enough to pierce the hulk's skull. Magneto can accelerate adamantium shrapnel like a rail gun and rip him to pieces. Not to mention, encase him in a box he isn't getting out from anytime soon.

Even without the metal, magneto could beat the savage hulk, with it he'd certainly beat WWH.

Surfer, Darkseid, Superman, Hulk, HP DD etc can all resist or have the means to evade enough punishment to win. Magneto would need to get extremely creative here and can't rely on raw power.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
It's funny that even though you cite an example which was intended to be a low showing (his skin was pierced by a gorilla), Hulk took two 12 inch Adamantium claws through the brain, with his back turned and had recovered within moments. Not many heralds can make that claim. At WWH rage level his skin would be harder to pierce and heal even faster.

Sure, his HF is the best in the herald class, so what? at WWH levels wolverine still cut him left and right and magneto can put a lot more power behind that. circumventing the HF is simply a matter of keeping the metal in body (did you notice how he heald once the claws left his skull?) or cutting off his head. even assuming he'd regrow his head in able time, which even DP doesnt do. wrapping the metal around the stubs would make sure the multilation took.

Surfer, Darkseid, Superman, Hulk, HP DD etc can all resist or have the means to evade enough punishment to win. Magneto would need to get extremely creative here and can't rely on raw power. [/B]

Originally posted by Nibedicus
This is Magneto with 1 ton of primary Adamantium. Also, this Magneto is at the height of his power and is willing to kill w/o a second thought. Not a gauntlet. Just post how many wins you think he can pull off (if any) vs the characters below.

Magneto is allowed 5 seconds to reshape his adamantium however he chooses before every encounter. BFR IS OFF.

-Nova Prime 4/10 would need some fancy gravimetrics otherwise
-Black Adam 3/10 probably loses
-Thor might win 6/10
-WWHulk win 8/10 Army already tried a ten ton adamantium tribute and lost
-DCNU Superman might win 5/10
-Silver Surfer win 8/10
-Darkseid might win 6/10
-H'el 10/10 win easily
-HP DD 4/10

Opponents fight "in character" but is allowed to use their exotics if they feel they need to in order to win.

Originally posted by leonidas
thor's hammer could be halted, if only for a moment while a spear kills him from behind.

Originally posted by ODG
Thor's been tanking piercing damage like a boss lately. You'd pretty much have to cut off his head these days to take him down whereas in the 80s, a good clean stab through the gut might've. Not anymore.

What feats are you pertaining to?
Surely if Thor is pierced in a vital area then he's a gonner.

Originally posted by h1a8
What feats are you pertaining to?
Surely if Thor is pierced in a vital area then he's a gonner.

He's been stabbed multiple times by Gorr in his current ongoing and even had his own axe tossed into him when he was a youth. Logan's claws were also able to only do superficial surface damage to him.

It's likely easier to cut through Thor's skin than other high heralds, but he can accumulate a horrendous amount of damage before falling to unconsciousness or death.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's been stabbed multiple times by Gorr in his current ongoing and even had his own axe tossed into him when he was a youth. Logan's claws were also able to only do superficial surface damage to him.

It's likely easier to cut through Thor's skin than other high heralds, but he can accumulate a horrendous amount of damage before falling to unconsciousness or death.

These kids, who do not read Thor comics, think that Asgardian physique functions exactly like humans.
People keep making the same mistakes with Kryptonians 😄

Originally posted by curryman
These kids, who do not read Thor comics, think that Asgardian physique functions exactly like humans. People keep making the same mistakes with Kryptonians 😄

That's why it's important for people to distinguish the difference between damage soak and durability for guys like Thor, imho.