Originally posted by Mindship
Thinking you are God?
If we are talking the miracle working absentee super God of the bible, I agree.
If you mean the God that Gnostic Jesus talked about, then I would not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Knowing you are God?
That does inflate the ego to a small extent but not near as bad as believers in bible God.
Apotheosis did give my ego a bit of air but that went away as I raised the bar and continued to seek.
The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself an esoteric ecumenist and Gnostic Christian. Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.
“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”
This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheep where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This is perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.
During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.
I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.
The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.
I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.
I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.
I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.
My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I am
I am not an atheist.
Okay, atheist perspective was just easier to say than etic perspective but the point remains. You are applying external standards to Christianity and then forgetting that those standards are external. Of course, it seems hypocritical if you change things half way through.
I'll show you.
Christians believe that YWHW created the universe with a word.
Hindus believe that Brahma created the universe by splitting his body.
Witness the Christian hypocrisy, believing these contradictory things!
Except that Christians aren't Hindus. It is absurd to judge Christians beliefs based on how well they line up with Hinduism. In exactly the same way your belief system is different from Christianity (or rather what you think Christians believe is different from what they do believe). The fact that they do not line up is only evidence of a difference not a lack of internal consistency on either part.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Scriptures say that they will go to hell for that.
Not their scriptures.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Okay, atheist perspective was just easier to say than etic perspective but the point remains. You are applying external standards to Christianity and then forgetting that those standards are external. Of course, it seems hypocritical if you change things half way through.I'll show you.
Christians believe that YWHW created the universe with a word.
Hindus believe that Brahma created the universe by splitting his body.
Witness the Christian hypocrisy, believing these contradictory things!Except that Christians aren't Hindus. It is absurd to judge Christians beliefs based on how well they line up with Hinduism. In exactly the same way your belief system is different from Christianity (or rather what you think Christians believe is different from what they do believe). The fact that they do not line up is only evidence of a difference not a lack of internal consistency on either part.
Not their scriptures.
When the bible tells us to test all things, it does not say from any particular perspective. If it would, then it would hardly be a fair test as the testing material is fixed.
But that immoral and useless process may well be the Christian way.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I amDo you meditate?
If we are talking the miracle working absentee super God of the bible, I agree.If you mean the God that Gnostic Jesus talked about, then I would not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y
Regards
DL