Spider Man dual weilding Admantium Katana's vs Gamora...

Originally posted by golem370
To me if it is in a comic book then its true why would writters bother saying it if they didn't mean it? What does What he does mean?

Even if it is true, how does it help you quantify her speed? Being the "Most Dangerous Woman in the Galaxy," has literaly nothing to do with speed. That be like saying that since Wayne Gretzky is the greatest Hockey player of all time... he must be great at evolutionary biology.

Whatever he does. He's the best at it. So moving quick? The best. Fighting? The best? Lifting stuff? Also the best. It's in a comic, it must be true.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If you can cite a single Gamora speed that puts are on par with Punisher's best speed feats - not even Spider-man's, Punisher's - I will orchestrate an exhausting campaign to get everyone on this site to start being nice to you in the off topic thread.

And jumping at Ronan isn't a speed feat.

why? shes not a popular character,the thread starter created a spite thread or attempted to, there isnt a laundry list of feats the for the character. so u would have to base it off her limited portrayals. and shes held her own against herald levelers often enough to place her above spiderman. this is a fail thread anyway. parker isnt bringing anything to the table she hasnt seen. she is stronger than him , arguably as fast arguable as agile, and reflexes to boot. plus her hf is awesome. her h2h skills place her above him i mean she would probably disarm him and use the sword against him. plus the dunce made him bloodlusted which makes him more prone to take a hit and engage in melee which would be disasterous. plus people keep forgetting gamora has limited precog herself. this is her fight to lose.

lol @ being liked

Originally posted by Raisen
he won't. this dude just likes female characters for some reason. he's a poser.

qft before i have your ass banned

Originally posted by Sin I AM
why? shes not a popular character,the thread starter created a spite thread or attempted to, there isnt a laundry list of feats the for the character. so u would have to base it off her limited portrayals. and shes held her own against herald levelers often enough to place her above spiderman. this is a fail thread anyway. parker isnt bringing anything to the table she hasnt seen. she is stronger than him , arguably as fast arguable as agile, and reflexes to boot. plus her hf is awesome. her h2h skills place her above him i mean she would probably disarm him and use the sword against him. plus the dunce made him bloodlusted which makes him more prone to take a hit and engage in melee which would be disasterous. plus people keep forgetting gamora has limited precog herself. this is her fight to lose.

Gamora doesn't have limited precog. She used too... decades ago... when she had the time gem... and it was only dreams.

Her speed feats are no where near as good as Spider-man's. Neither are her agility feats. Freaking Lady Viper has better speed and agility feats than she does. Her "awesome" healing factor? Is terrible by comparison to every other character with a healing factor. It took her weeks to regrow her skin. She was koed by a stab to the gut. Her durability is much greater than her healing factor, and if Spider-man was unarmed and they were engaged in melee, she would win... but she doesn't heal fast enough to fight through a stab wont in a vital area which gives Spider-man a huge advantage.

Her supposed combat skill is vastly over rated. She has never beaten any martial artists of note. The only one she's ever fought is Wolverine... who beat her. She has some nice ambush pressure point feats, but its been directly stated on panel she isn't skilled enough to execute them during combat with a skilled opponent.

She's strong enough that she can one shot Spider-man if she connects cleanly, so it's not a blow out, but an armed Spider-man, willing to land killing blows, should take a comfortable majority.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmmm don't recall that. Not doubting you I'm just saying its extremely high end and besides its not his norm. On average he's a ten toner not a class sixty which is what he would need to be to lift and swing or flip a tank.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Gamora doesn't have limited precog. She used too... decades ago... when she had the time gem... and it was only dreams.

Her speed feats are no where near as good as Spider-man's. Neither are her agility feats. Freaking Lady Viper has better speed and agility feats than she does. Her "awesome" healing factor? Is terrible by comparison to every other character with a healing factor. It took her weeks to regrow her skin. She was koed by a stab to the gut. Her durability is much greater than her healing factor, and if Spider-man was unarmed and they were engaged in melee, she would win... but she doesn't heal fast enough to fight through a stab wont in a vital area which gives Spider-man a huge advantage.

Her supposed combat skill is vastly over rated. She has never beaten any martial artists of note. The only one she's ever fought is Wolverine... who beat her. She has some nice ambush pressure point feats, but its been directly stated on panel she isn't skilled enough to execute them during combat with a skilled opponent.

She's strong enough that she can one shot Spider-man if she connects cleanly, so it's not a blow out, but an armed Spider-man, willing to land killing blows, should take a comfortable majority.

lol at this, i see u cherry picking and low-balling but im bored so i will continue

anyway. spiderman is bloodlusted correct? which means his normal fighting style is thrown out of the window. he will blindly rush in like every other character who gets bloodlusted and punch, kick, bite, claw like a wild man. Gamora whether you'd like to admit it or not is an experienced and skilled MA. She WILL beat him if they engage in melee. I dont see how this is even debateable. And she will disarm him, the only way spiderman could win is by webbing her completely and cutting her head off...which is doubtful because she's strong and quick enough to either avoid it or break free. Plus as you already mentioned she has pressure point attacks....so its really not as easy as u make it out to be

Originally posted by Parmaniac
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its not his average....i already said that

Originally posted by Sin I AM
its not his average....i already said that

It's also not his peak. He has better strength feats. I think that's probably closer to average than you think, even though it's clearly a good showing. I also think he's been listed as Class 15 for many years now.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Because Gamora is a class above them all. The fight with Red Sonja is more or less an example of how it would go down if Pete doesn't have his guard up.

LordOfMurder's beloved adamantium katana gives Spidey a HUGE advantage in this thread imo, but if he even tries to take Gamora lightly, he could be in for a world of pain.

Originally posted by Digi
Gamora's portrayal as a cosmic-level MAer means we want to defer to her instinctively.

People just say she destroys Spider-man because she's by default better in every way. Proof not required.

Originally posted by Digi
It's also not his peak. He has better strength feats. I think that's probably closer to average than you think, even though it's clearly a good showing. I also think he's been listed as Class 15 for many years now.

Yup. I think his superspeed ads a lot of momentum to his strength and more damage per square inch to his punches, that could explain some of his higher end feats.

Originally posted by SamZED
Not arguing with that. Its just I dont know much about her but tbh so far it feels that this is an accurate description of the thread:

People just say she destroys Spider-man because she's by default better in every way. Proof not required.

Originally posted by Digi
It's also not his peak. He has better strength feats. I think that's probably closer to average than you think, even though it's clearly a good showing. I also think he's been listed as Class 15 for many years now.

since when? his strength has been retconned back to 10 ton power levels after OMD. unless he got an upgrade

Originally posted by Sin I AM
since when? his strength has been retconned back to 10 ton power levels after OMD. unless he got an upgrade

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I took note of Spidey's advantage in that post. What I am trying to say in that post is that in bloodlust mode, he might not be likely to think straight, and if that's the case, he's in a lot of trouble.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
since when? his strength has been retconned back to 10 ton power levels after OMD. unless he got an upgrade

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol at this, i see u cherry picking and low-balling but im bored so i will continue

anyway. spiderman is bloodlusted correct? which means his normal fighting style is thrown out of the window. he will blindly rush in like every other character who gets bloodlusted and punch, kick, bite, claw like a wild man. Gamora whether you'd like to admit it or not is an experienced and skilled MA. She WILL beat him if they engage in melee. I dont see how this is even debateable. And she will disarm him, the only way spiderman could win is by webbing her completely and cutting her head off...which is doubtful because she's strong and quick enough to either avoid it or break free. Plus as you already mentioned she has pressure point attacks....so its really not as easy as u make it out to be

its not his average....i already said that

Cherry picking and low balling? If you can counter any of the points I made by referencing a single example to the contrary, I will yield and defer to your judgement. I said her healing factor is tame. It is. There are no points to the contrary. Her healing factor has never been able to compensate for a grievous wound in the middle of combat. There is not counter point. This isn't a mater of low balling or cherry picking, it simply is. The same goes for her speed and combat skill. Nothing I said can be refuted.

Gamora is one of the most over rated characters by the ICC. She sparred with Thanos once. Big f'n deal. Robin spared with Lady Shiva. What am I supposed to glean from such a trivial feat? Her hype is almost as unfounded as her stupid dagger. Oh the mighty Godslayer!!!! Tell me what it's actually done one panel? It broke off Thanos? Anything else? Nope. People try to act like she is Mantis or Karate Kid level. Absurd.

You are correct that a bloodlusted Spider-man is less inclined to fallow his spider sense, but not so much so to tip the scales to Gamora for the majority.

It's arguable that lusted Spidey uses his SS more, becoming more attuned to it to really go nuts. Bloodlust doesn't always imply loss of judgement. It just means the kid gloves are off.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
since when? his strength has been retconned back to 10 ton power levels after OMD. unless he got an upgrade

Really? What's your justification here? OMD was pretty much entirely about his marriage. When is anything regarding his power level referenced? Or, even better, when since then has Marvel explicitly or implicitly stated that he's back at 10?

Also, the switch to Class 15 wasn't regarding a specific upgrade. Yes, I know there was the whole "Other" arc. But handbooks were listing him as 15 a few years before that story. It was just a stealthy acknowledgement that he hadn't actually been written as 10-ish for years. No one credible uses handbooks as the end-all in comics, but unless I missed something, that's still considered his base strength.

Outside of all of this, my point stands. The feat referenced isn't his best in ANY era, and you were acting like it was worth dismissing entirely.

isnt gamora thanos's personal assasin ?? she wins handily

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Care to proof that? Because OMD itself was basically retconned.

how so?....everything prior is not in continuity

Originally posted by SamZED
Gotcha. And agreed.

Bios lie. Classic SM's average was 15. Current's is above that even, he casually performs class 20+ feat and im talking average. Also we should probably define average. Because in the past 30 issues he had like 3 real strength feats and all 3 were class 50+.

subject to debate

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cherry picking and low balling? If you can counter any of the points I made by referencing a single example to the contrary, I will yield and defer to your judgement. I said her healing factor is tame. It is. There are no points to the contrary. Her healing factor has never been able to compensate for a grievous wound in the middle of combat. There is not counter point. This isn't a mater of low balling or cherry picking, it simply is. The same goes for her speed and combat skill. Nothing I said can be refuted.

Gamora is one of the most over rated characters by the ICC. She sparred with Thanos once. Big f'n deal. Robin spared with Lady Shiva. What am I supposed to glean from such a trivial feat? Her hype is almost as unfounded as her stupid dagger. Oh the mighty Godslayer!!!! Tell me what it's actually done one panel? It broke off Thanos? Anything else? Nope. People try to act like she is Mantis or Karate Kid level. Absurd.

You are correct that a bloodlusted Spider-man is less inclined to fallow his spider sense, but not so much so to tip the scales to Gamora for the majority.

her fights with ronan drax and maxam speaks enough for me...

Originally posted by Digi
It's arguable that lusted Spidey uses his SS more, becoming more attuned to it to really go nuts. Bloodlust doesn't always imply loss of judgement. It just means the kid gloves are off.

Really? What's your justification here? OMD was pretty much entirely about his marriage. When is anything regarding his power level referenced? Or, even better, when since then has Marvel explicitly or implicitly stated that he's back at 10?

Also, the switch to Class 15 wasn't regarding a specific upgrade. Yes, I know there was the whole "Other" arc. But handbooks were listing him as 15 a few years before that story. It was just a stealthy acknowledgement that he hadn't actually been written as 10-ish for years. No one credible uses handbooks as the end-all in comics, but unless I missed something, that's still considered his base strength.

Outside of all of this, my point stands. The feat referenced isn't his best in ANY era, and you were acting like it was worth dismissing entirely.

then what happened to his powers after the Other arc? his increased strength, his fangs, his pincers, the fact that he ate someone, he had a bunch of other stuff that seemeingly disappeared ALONG WITH the marriage.

i wasnt trying to dismiss the feat but considering that a tank weighs somewhere close to 70 tons it seemed highly dubious to me is all

Originally posted by Sin I AM
then what happened to his powers after the Other arc? his increased strength, his fangs, his pincers, the fact that he ate someone, he had a bunch of other stuff that seemeingly disappeared ALONG WITH the marriage

The Other was being quietly ignored before OMD came along. We're never going to get an official word on it, because Marvel doesn't want us thinking about it. But it's also incredibly sloppy to say it was retconned by OMD, when OMD had absolutely nothing to do with it and also never mentioned it at all. There's no logical connection between the two. The only official statement we got was that, outside of the marriage, Pete's timeline had largely been left alone. Should we consider the Clone Saga retconned? Or 100 other stories that happened during his marriage? Of course not. Comics are littered with forgotten or unused plot devices and powers. This is just one more.

Now, where you have a point with the Other is that, most likely, we're never seeing those powers again. But I think that's due more to a collective editorial decision than an in-comic retcon. At the very least, fabricating a retcon out of nothing is irresponsible. Who knows, maybe you're right...but what you have is a selectively-applied assumption based on no concrete evidence.

However, as I said, the Class 15 thing was in place well before that arc. Not sure what the most recent handbook states, but I'd be shocked if it were 10. I'd put better odds on it going up to 20, in fact.

Sauce: http://marvel.wikia.com/Strength_Scale

And yes, this isn't God's Word on it either. And defined strength levels are horribly flawed to begin with. I realize that. But it sufficiently makes my point.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
her fights with ronan drax and maxam speaks enough for me...

Because going shot for shot with Ronan in melee combat, means she is fast and skilled enough to avoid Spider-man? Because I'm pretty sure it really means the exact opposite. It's not like Ronan is an FTL Bruce Lee. He is neither incredibly fast, nor incredibly skilled in h2h. Didn't Starlord dance around him in h2h? I know he got his ass stomped into the mud by some B-string Imperial Guard Members.