Superman VS Morg

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm surprised this is as split as it is tbh. morg would def put up a fight, but based on feats it really isn't even close tbh. and we've seen definitive proof ss, when po'd>morg. and morg does not have the ss's versatility. he's a lesser hulk essentially in this fight imo, with an axe and zero speed feats to speak of. based on on-panel stuff, morg really doesn't have much chance here imo though as i said, he would def make it a very difficult fight each time.

Lesser Hulk?

I'd say that Morg's power output considerably trumps the Hulk's.

Hulk gets stronger, but how often do we see him go past high herald with that power of his? 😛

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hes been hit by other swords, etc. why not ? In character to get tagged.

Prove it.

Post scans proving it turned the tide of the battle.

'In character' implies that he PURPOSELY TRIES to get hit.
He gets hit not because he chooses to but rather he didn't react fast enough to not get hit (because of bad writing to prevent Superman from being invincible).
The same reason why Spider-man gets hit. The same reason SS gets hit. The same reason flash gets hit, etc. No character gets hit on purpose UNLESS the comic explicitly states, shows it clearly, or explains it.

Just look at Superman's strength feats and who he has koed or killed or rocked. It's a very impressive list.

Yes the freeze breath has slowed enemies or even halted them dead in their tracks. It can be used as a tactic to help Superman win the fight. That's the point I'm making.

So 95% of Superman comics is bad writing? Quan is a patient guy to sit there and debate against that nonsense.

Originally posted by curryman
Lesser Hulk?

I'd say that Morg's power output considerably trumps the Hulk's.

Hulk gets stronger, but how often do we see him go past high herald with that power of his? 😛

how often? he kind of does what he needs to do, especially lately. and he wouldn't have to go past high herald here. he's already there in terms of strength. factor in his healing factor. factor in morg would fight like an idiot and brawl.....this is def hulk's fight to win imo. 🙂

Wrong thread Leo and its pointless debating against Curry about Hulk, he cant stand the character.

Originally posted by carver9
So 95% of Superman comics is bad writing? Quan is a patient guy to sit there and debate against that nonsense.

What are you talking about? If Superman gets hit with a very slow attack BECAUSE his reactions is too slow then yes it is bad writing. If Superman gets hit with a fairly quick attack then it's still in the suspension of disbelief and not consider bad writing.

I don't know where you get your percentages from but a large chunk of Superman comics doesn't even involve him fighting anyone.

Also everyone here knows it's bad writing when someone with an established power all of a sudden doesn't have it. It doesn't matter how many times you think it happened.

That's why forum fights are not comic fights. Character's powers just don't go missing when the writer feels like it.

Is Morg "very slow" iyo?

Superman would lose the first fight and win the second.

Originally posted by leonidas
how often? he kind of does what he needs to do, especially lately. and he wouldn't have to go past high herald here. he's already there in terms of strength. factor in his healing factor. factor in morg would fight like an idiot and brawl.....this is def hulk's fight to win imo. 🙂

Hold on now.

Hulk peaks at around herald in most stories outside Worldbreaker/select Pak-comics.

He's not already at Morg's level. What you're doing now is basically turning Morg into a Savage Hulk who can't grow and has a slightly higher base. That's the Abomination! And that is damn unreasonable.

Originally posted by curryman
Hold on now.

Hulk peaks at around herald in most stories outside Worldbreaker/select Pak-comics.

He's not already at Morg's level. What you're doing now is basically turning Morg into a Savage Hulk who can't grow and has a slightly higher base. That's the Abomination! And that is damn unreasonable.

huh? the hulk who fought sentry was certainly at high herald level--he was throughout that entire wwh arc--that was almost the point of that whole arc. hulk was stronger than he had ever been before. and that's the hulk in this fight. but what i asked was simple--what feats from morg are you using to justify your stance that morg beats him, or that morg would show versatility with his power instead of simply brawling with him as he's done in virtually all his showings? i'm not sure how i'm being unreasonable. I'M not turning morg into hulk, that's the way he is consistently portrayed. he even forced ss to engage him and h2h--and ss proved more powerful... i'd say wwh's strength>morg's and based on feats i'd say hulk's durability>morg's as well. those are reasons i think hulk wins. i was curious what showings of morg lead you to believe he wins this.

EDIT: grr. wrong thread.

I don't believe there's such a difference in power either way, nor do I believe raw power will win the day.

I believe the axe is going to cause some major problems for Hulk though, and I can see him taking Hulk out with that.

In response to Leo. Morg would just walk all over Superman however weapon or no weapon

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't believe there's such a difference in power either way, nor do I believe raw power will win the day.

I believe the axe is going to cause some major problems for Hulk though, and I can see him taking Hulk out with that.

In response to Leo. Morg would just walk all over Superman however weapon or no weapon

yeah, i get it, i just don't see the axe being the game changer. hulk could catch it, or pull it away, maybe even thunderclap it out of his hands. morg would def take some, but i'd go hulk 6-7/10. guess morg just never overly impressed me. maybe i'm forgetting some of his impressive stuff.

and pfft. supes tickles morg's prostate with the business end of that axe.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i get it, i just don't see the axe being the game changer. hulk could catch it, or pull it away, maybe even thunderclap it out of his hands. morg would def take some, but i'd go hulk 6-7/10. guess morg just never overly impressed me. maybe i'm forgetting some of his impressive stuff.

and pfft. supes tickles morg's prostate with the business end of that axe.

Morg kicked the shit out of Firelord and Air Walker at the same time, and then had a tough battle with Surfer right after (the time he lost)

Morg tickles his own bum with Superman's severed hand

Originally posted by curryman
Lesser Hulk?

I'd say that Morg's power output considerably trumps the Hulk's.

Hulk gets stronger, but how often do we see him go past high herald with that power of his? 😛

The Hulk has always held back from going full out destroyer mode, due to innocent lives at stake. This does not apply to the mindless versions of him of course. As for the thread, I think regular PC Morg would possibly lose, but it would be close, whereas Morg with both PC, and the WOL would win without having to really go for broke.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Considering he's considerably faster than Hulk, I don't think retrieving his weapon will be an issue.
Plus this:
http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc112&image=83212_surfer4.jpg

Morg kicked the shit out of Firelord and Air Walker at the same time, and then had a tough battle with Surfer right after (the time he lost)

Morg tickles his own bum with Superman's severed hand

meh, it was his intro so he had a good showing. i remember fl's first (near first?) appearance where he was beating up on both thor and hercules for a bit.

which is fine since clark only needs one hand to beat down the dumb-as-sh!t brute.

Originally posted by leonidas
meh, it was his intro so he had a good showing. i remember fl's first (near first?) appearance where he was beating up on both thor and hercules for a bit.

which is fine since clark only needs one hand to beat down the dumb-as-sh!t brute.

Exactly, Firelord > Thor and Herc, and Morg >> Firelord

Superman would cry his eyes out if he lost a hand. Take a gander at his crybabyness in action when WW held back from cutting his head off entirely.

Terrax also fought Firelord and Airwalker at the same time. Heck, Airwalker fought Surfer, Firelord and Nova at the same time and was choking Firelord out.

Airwalker>Surfer, Nova and Firelord

Yeah ABC logic when it comes to who beat who or who fought who is faulty.
It is HOW character A beat B that is relevant to the fight at hand.

People stop with the A beat B bs, like it means something.

As far as this fight goes Superman embarrasses Morg. He's quicker, more mobile, has better reflexes, has freeze breath and hv.

Originally posted by h1a8
'In character' implies that he PURPOSELY TRIES to get hit.
He gets hit not because he chooses to but rather he didn't react fast enough to not get hit (because of bad writing to prevent Superman from being invincible).
The same reason why Spider-man gets hit. The same reason SS gets hit. The same reason flash gets hit, etc. No character gets hit on purpose UNLESS the comic explicitly states, shows it clearly, or explains it.

Just look at Superman's strength feats and who he has koed or killed or rocked. It's a very impressive list.

Yes the freeze breath has slowed enemies or even halted them dead in their tracks. It can be used as a tactic to help Superman win the fight. That's the point I'm making.

He's done so before. Comic has stated it.

Name a few feats.

Name a few examples.