Originally posted by curryman
That was a funny joke.Are you going to respond to my argument?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The Power Gem.In the hands of Thanos, who is likewise not bound by PIS/CIS, it's sketchy that Wally could do anything to him to begin with.
His strength
Originally posted by carver9This fight will be over before TK or TP is used, whether it is Thanos or Flash who wins.
Thanos can telekinetically lift Flash off the ground and do whatever he please to him. He can mind rape as well.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
What argument? What you posted was a question you have to prove yourself? You want me to prove for you, something that I don't have to. You and me are both aware of how Flash's Kinetic Speed stealing works. I said it will work on Thanos, no I can't prove it because it has not been done on a PG user for obvious reasons. So I asked you a question, I didn't think it was that funny thought
I'm saying it's his energy control that will keep Flash from stealing his speed.
Thanos doesn't draw on the speed force for speed so there won't be any talk of Wally cutting him off from it. It's plain and simple energy-absorption. Thanos won't lose.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
So what I hear is this?
How can Superman stop flash from stealing his kinetic energy?His strength
I'm sorry, but I don't understand. I'm open minded and don't mind being changing stances but no one has convinced otherwise. All I hear is PG will stop Flash from stealing Kinetic Energy
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Well, Superman =/= Power Gem, for starters.
The Power Gem's abilities would enable its user to augment his physical attributes to incredible levels as well as reverse attacks back at its users. Thor was subconsciously having his power increased by the moment and would have become a universal threat if left unchecked. In the hands of Thanos, arguably the most proficient IG wielder save like Warlock, the real question is how is this not spite against the Flash?
Originally posted by curryman
I'm saying it's his energy control that will keep Flash from stealing his speed.Thanos doesn't draw on the speed force for speed so there won't be any talk of Wally cutting him off from it. It's plain and simple energy-absorption. Thanos won't lose.
Well, Superman =/= Power Gem, for starters. [/b]The Power Gem's abilities would enable its user to augment his physical attributes to incredible levels as well as reverse attacks back at its users.[/b] Thor was subconsciously having his power increased by the moment and would have become a universal threat if left unchecked. In the hands of Thanos, arguably the most proficient IG wielder save like Warlock, the real question is how is this not spite against the Flash?
Originally posted by xJLxKing
What! So i guess the PG doesn't work because they aren't in a Universe where the PG is designed to work. Sorry that argument has always been brought up by people who dislike Flash being able to steal speed from others.
It's also not just the Speed Force that Flash can drain from. It's kinetic energy from others. As per the forum rules, Flash is allowed to steal speed, otherwise, I can say, PG, IG, or whatever you bring up including Thanos ability doesn't work because it wouldn't work in DC's Universe.Great so now you are arguing something I'm not even challenging. YES, WITHOUT stealing SPEED, Thanos wins, hands down. Yet, once Flash steals his speed, what you are left with is Thanos who has this unmatched strength not being able to move or react. Why? He lost all his kinetic energy, he has no movement
Power Gem taps into all power and energy. Without PIS/CIS, I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt that Thanos' kinetic energy will be drained efficiently, if at all.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
What! So i guess the PG doesn't work because they aren't in a Universe where the PG is designed to work. Sorry that argument has always been brought up by people who dislike Flash being able to steal speed from others.
It's also not just the Speed Force that Flash can drain from. It's kinetic energy from others. As per the forum rules, Flash is allowed to steal speed, otherwise, I can say, PG, IG, or whatever you bring up including Thanos ability doesn't work because it wouldn't work in DC's Universe.
I'm sorry friend, but you misunderstood some bits here. I'll break it down so that my stance is clear.
First off, the PG/Speed-Force misconception.
- The PG will work just fine in the neutral setting they are fighting. Just like Flash will have access to the speed-force.
- This does not however, mean that the speed-force will overlap with whatever Marvel-equivalent there is. Thanos does not draw on the speed-force. We can get a mod ruling on this I'm sure 🙂
I am not saying that the Speed-force doesn't work because they're fighting in the Marvel universe. I'm saying the Flash can't cut off Thanos' connection because he does not have one. Stealing speed aka absorbing someone's kinetic energy is not the same as cutting off Thanos from the speed force.
- I already pointed out that I was specifically talking about Thanos resisting energy absorption other than the speed-force. Why did you ignore this? My post was 3 lines long. To reiterate, I don't think Flash could steal Thanos' kinetic energy. Thanos is far more powerful than him and now he has the power-gem as well. Not only would there be too much for Wally to steal, but Thanos already has centuries of experience on him when it comes to manipulating energy.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI guess that's where we disagree. I believe that all energy will power Thanos, yet all his speed/kinetic energy will be absorbed by Flash who has control of it
Power Gem taps into all power and energy. Without PIS/CIS, I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt that Thanos' kinetic energy will be drained efficiently, if at all.
I'm sorry friend, but you misunderstood some bits here. I'll break it down so that my stance is clear. First off, the PG/Speed-Force misconception. - The PG will work just fine in the neutral setting they are fighting. Just like Flash will have access to the speed-force. - This does not however, mean that the speed-force will overlap with whatever Marvel-equivalent there is. Thanos does not draw on the speed-force. We can get a mod ruling on this I'm sure I am not saying that the Speed-force doesn't work because they're fighting in the Marvel universe. I'm saying the Flash can't cut off Thanos' connection because he does not have one. Stealing speed aka absorbing someone's kinetic energy is not the same as cutting off Thanos from the speed force. - I already pointed out that I was specifically talking about Thanos resisting energy absorption other than the speed-force. Why did you ignore this? My post was 3 lines long. To reiterate, I don't think Flash could steal Thanos' kinetic energy. Thanos is far more powerful than him and now he has the power-gem as well. Not only would there be too much for Wally to steal, but Thanos already has centuries of experience on him when it comes to manipulating energy.
Taken from the forum rules thread
Amendment:Concerning the Battlefield
Unless otherwise stated by the thread originator, the standard distance between combatants will be .5 kilometers in line of sight at the onset of battle, and there will be an implied "buzz" to signify the onset of battle. It will be assumed combatants are primed to go at the gun.Also, all characters, regardless of where the fight takes place, or what universe/medium they are native to, will have full access to their abilities at optimum efficiency as they are depicted in their native universes. It will be assumed that each character fights as they are normally presented regardless of battle locale. This means that, for example, Flash will in fact have SpeedForce abilities if the battle took place in Marvel Manhattan. Battles will always take place on an assumed equal playing field.
As far as resisting energy absorption goes,yes, he can. Did I argue that? No, all that HE CAN'T resist Flash stealing his Kinetic energy.
Bottom line is, without stealing speed, Flash loses. If he can steal speed, Thanos might not be Knocked out, or BFR'ed, but he is a living statue. He can't move whatsoever and I'd considered that a win. I'm not arguing whether or not Flash can harm Thanos otherwise.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Pretty sure that means he can steal speed. For the sake of your argument, you de-powered flash so that Thanos doesn't get drained. It's a lot like someone saying Spectre can't do anything to wolverine because he isn't from DC.
So as far as stealing speed is concerned, Flash can do it, and it will affect Thanos.As far as resisting energy absorption goes,yes, he can. Did I argue that? No, all that HE CAN'T resist Flash stealing his Kinetic energy.
Bottom line is, without stealing speed, Flash loses. If he can steal speed, Thanos might not be Knocked out, or BFR'ed, but he is a living statue. He can't move whatsoever and I'd considered that a win. I'm not arguing whether or not Flash can harm Thanos otherwise.
The Flash can not cut Thanos off from something he's not connected to in the first place. The Flash uses the speed-force to steal kinetic energy. That is completely different from severing someone's connection to the speed force. I don't see why this is hard to grasp.
The rules state that the Flash still retains his abilities. It does not state that Thanos will suddenly suffer from the same weaknesses that all of the DC heroes do. If the mods feel that Marvel heroes would be connected to the speed-force for the purpose of the forum fight's neutral settings, then fine. But that would not be a part of the rules, that would be an extension/free interpretation.
Originally posted by currymanwell we will wait for a mod . I'm pretty sure this was brought up before 🙂
It's nothing like saying Spectre can't do anything to Wolverine because the Spectre's not cut off from the source of his power, and neither is Flash.The Flash can not cut Thanos off from something he's not connected to in the first place. The Flash uses the speed-force to steal kinetic energy. That is completely different from severing someone's connection to the speed force. I don't see why this is hard to grasp.
The rules state that the Flash still retains his abilities. It does not state that Thanos will suddenly suffer from the same weaknesses that all of the DC heroes do. If the mods feel that Marvel heroes would be connected to the speed-force for the purpose of the forum fight's neutral settings, then fine. But that would not be a part of the rules, that would be an extension/free interpretation.
As the fact for his speed being stolen yes he can steal his speed, just because thanos doesn't draw his kinetic energy for the speed force doesn't mean it cannot be stolen. As for him being a statue when it has been stolen? Well he will be a status to wally regardless, he'll be moving faster than thaons" eye can see', far to fast.....he'll be punching, phasing through him, vibrating thanos' stealing his kinetic energy and hitting him with a few IMP aswell which I can see 'bothering' thanos and sending him a couple hundred yards back, but thanos' does have the PG? I duno
Originally posted by xJLxKing
well we will wait for a mod . I'm pretty sure this was brought up before 🙂
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
As the fact for his speed being stolen yes he can steal his speed, just because thanos doesn't draw his kinetic energy for the speed force doesn't mean it cannot be stolen.
All of THIS^^^ will probably only take a few seconds to do it all, an then again repeatedly an extra few seconds, I can't see thanos NOT being hurt from all of that in such short space of time, and I don't mean to piss' on your parade but I could of easily left out the stip and flash could have won this very easily very fast, but I have already removed/depowered flash and taken away thanos' biggest threat and please don't ask me to explain how the stip would have worked because if you don't know you shouldn't be on the thread
Seriously? I've just read the whole thread and you guys are arguing about if the speed steal will work on thanos? And I clarified that because if its worked on one character before then it will work again, the only time it will not work if if the character has a DIRECT link to the speedforce or the marvel equivalent, because they can gain speed right away and I'm pretty sure its rules that all characters powers work unless stated by the OP
thanos, without problems. i could see a speed steal working for a short time, but then the power gem would kick in and either block it from happening or simply give thanos access to more power--kinetic energy in this case until the speed steal fails. thanos would, like thor, get more and more powerful as this went on. it wouldn't go on very long imo.