Phoenix 5 vs Elite Lanterns

Originally posted by nwg202
Are the P5 considered equal?

Magik and Colossus are way above the others. You have a Hell lord and an Avatar of Cyttorak getting 1/5 of the pf. Logically, they should so far above Namor and co. Feat wise though they didn't seem all that different from the other 3.

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
u think thats the odd part out? i just dont think they were that strong to start i think its pis to show hey these guys r strong and thor cant just solo the team otherwise u take that team of p5 and thor just strikes them down like children

i didnt say he won but what i mean is cyclops for example if he fought thor 1 on 1 just regular ol cyclops he gets trounced its spite beyond belief so in order to show hey these phoenix infected guys r UBER powerful he gets to stop mjonir and that would be the same as lifting it to me holding it in place in the air is the same damn thing it doesnt make sense y he gets 1 shotted in the begining and then they have trouble with him when there 10x more powerful i just dont think they start above herald lvl they could be at HH that'd b fine but going to trans lvl i dont think so

we've already stablished the spell has nothing to do with stopping the hammer, you need to accept this. thor was beaten badly everytime he fought any of the P5 1 on 1.

im not disagreeing with the fact he got his ass whipped im disagreeing that u guys are placing them WAY above HH which isnt the case read the comic again just the first part when he gets ko'd its just establishing they are BAD mothers and are tough to fight and holding it in the air and lifting it off the ground is the same damn thing i am not accepting nothin other then that

the spell is magical and its nature is well established. you are refusing to accept what has been shown and stated on panel numerous times

But wasn't that why Thor was so surprised that Superman caught his hammer because of the enchant?

If its only, picking it up that matters could Thor hand mojlnir to someone? Seems like the same thing to me.

Originally posted by Odekahn
But wasn't that why Thor was so surprised that Superman caught his hammer because of the enchant?

If its only, picking it up that matters could Thor hand mojlnir to someone? Seems like the same thing to me.

No, when someone takes the hammer the spell is activated and it drops to the ground. what you need to understand is the spell is meant to keep people from wielding mjolnir, not to make it unstoppable. if jut they block it while thor holds it it or after he throws it at them, that doesn't count as picking it up.

if he throws it in space where there is no gravity and therefore no up and down, people can take it and swing it around too. magneto has also manipulated it a numebr of times.

superman could be deemed worthy of carrying the hammer cyclops is never worthy of it

Originally posted by 753
he was surprised at superman's strengh. SM couldnt pick mjolnir up from the ground and crossovers aren't canon.

No, when someone takes the hammer the spell is activated and it drops to the ground. what you need to understand is the spell is meant to keep people from wielding mjolnir, not to make it unstoppable. if jut they block it while thor holds it it or after he throws it at them, that doesn't count as picking it up.

if he throws it in space where there is no gravity and therefore no up and down, people can take it and swing it around too. magneto has also manipulated it a numebr of times.

JLA/Avengers was canon at one point. And I doubt the mechanics of Thor's hammer has changed.

With that being said, what you said makes sense and clarifies it more than well enough for me. Thanks!

Originally posted by Odekahn
But wasn't that why Thor was so surprised that Superman caught his hammer because of the enchant?

If its only, picking it up that matters could Thor hand mojlnir to someone? Seems like the same thing to me.

No. The enchantment isn't in place when Thor is holding it, so someone else could hold it when he is holding it. But once Thor lets go, the enchantment takes hold and it drops if they're not worthy. Like he just did with Hulk and dozens of other opponents in the past.

Originally posted by ODG
No. He didn't mention the enchantment at all, just the amazement that someone could barehand a hammer strike. Thor was similarly flabbergasted when Red Hulk no-sold a shot to the face.

No. The enchantment isn't in place when Thor is holding it, so someone else could hold it when he is holding it. But once Thor lets go, the enchantment takes hold and it drops if they're not worthy. Like he just did with Hulk and dozens of other opponents in the past.

Makes sense. When I think about it, Superman was deemed worthy enough to hold it, so that could have been a factor even if the enchant worked the way I was thinking. But it doesnt. Oh well. Lol

he was worthy at one point because of an emergency and then couldnt pick it up again, right?

Originally posted by 753
he was worthy at one point because of an emergency and then couldnt pick it up again, right?

I don't remember, I've got it in the other room but I'm not going to even bother looking because as you guys explained its pretty much a moot point. Lol