Hard fight...no mobility!!!

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Never said she pulled the moon herself.
Stated she feasibly could.

Not basing it on the image posted a few moments ago.

Basing it on the following, and simple knowledge of how many times more massive planet Earth is than the Moon, how even a fifth of the Earth's weight is greater than that.

Sorry but posting that cropped scan right under your post was somewhat confusing.

A few issues before that, Kyle/Superman/Diana barely pulled the moon (Couldn't do it again).

Together with the fact that in the scene you posted, the water mass of Earth was displaced, the JLA were actually failing until Kyle stepped in IIRC and I'm going to go with Diana being unable to pull the Earth solo.

Maybe she could under extreme circumstances but I think there was a reason it was only ever Kyle/Superman doing any of the solo heavy lifting. At least imo. Not saying it isn't impossible (Nothing is in comics) but I don't think your evidence necessarily supports and it hardly proves she could easily bend Adamantium.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sorry but posting that cropped scan right under your post was somewhat confusing.

A few issues before that, Kyle/Superman/Diana barely pulled the moon (Couldn't do it again).

Together with the fact that in the scene you posted, the water mass of Earth was displaced, the JLA were actually failing until Kyle stepped in IIRC and I'm going to go with Diana being unable to pull the Earth solo.

Maybe she could under extreme circumstances but I think there was a reason it was only ever Kyle/Superman doing any of the solo heavy lifting. At least imo. Not saying it isn't impossible (Nothing is in comics) but I don't think your evidence necessarily supports and it hardly proves she could easily bend Adamantium.

Seeing how the entire mass of water on earth is about 0.02% of earth's mass and they were weakened especially superman and they actually moved the earth in orbit, its still a big feat. They were losing earth's orbit after they moved it in the orbit.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

[Diana] has resistance to and some limited controls specifically over magic lightning ...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Near the end of Gail's run Wonder Woman's gauntlets was able to randomly summon Zeus' lightning. I'm unclear how that will help her bend Adamantium around Thor while he just stands there apparently and watches.

Just explained above how that becomes significant if the OP had DCnU Wonder Woman in mind. For 2010 Wonder Woman, however, the relevance of my statement is that Diana has the ability to deflect, absorb, redirect, or resist magic lightning, of the kind, presumably, that Beta Ray Bill and Thor are wont to throw out, to the point of nearly ignoring it and blithely continuing about her business. At least to judge from her most recent showing against magic lightning.

Wonder Woman #600:

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Superman is stopped cold; Diana keeps on going.

Yes, based on that showing, I can certainly see Diana dutifully tank one of Thor's specialty dishes and use his surprise to gain decisive mechanical advantage, giving Thor much the same treatment Etrigan received here, only with the adamantium of the jail cell we're talking about, and not the steel hull of this handy car:

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Sorry but posting that cropped scan right under your post was somewhat confusing.

Apology accepted.

I suppose if someone else were to post that they would be intending that JLAv1#58 to stand as proof of her moon-pulling prowess.
My thinking is she was part of a trio that famously pulled 81 TIMES that amount of mass, besides being fabled to have "the strength of the Earth itself", so nobody should be giving that much of a thought.

Moreover, this a forum with some VERY dedicated and much exposed fans.
There isn't much you'd expect to get by with here.
Generally, you can bet if you see something from me that I think I have a very good reason for having put it there.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

A few issues before that, Kyle/Superman/Diana barely pulled the moon (Couldn't do it again).

JLA v1 #58. Terror Incognita.
I think you might want to examine that story and the context of the statement more carefully. It wasn't merely that they needed to move the Moon.

They needed to move it before the White Martians, who had beaten every other hero group on Earth, snapped to their plan.

And they needed to move it at speed.

And after they moved it at speed, they needed to make sure that they quickly pulled out and put it back into proper orbit before its gravitational effects, increased greatly by bringing it so near, into Earth's very atmosphere, wrecked irreversible damage on Earth itself.

Their challenge wasn't merely moving the Moon from point A to point B.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Together with the fact that in the scene you posted, the water mass of Earth was displaced, the JLA were actually failing until Kyle stepped in IIRC and I'm going to go with Diana being unable to pull the Earth solo.

Maybe she could under extreme circumstances but ...

I'm not making the assertion here in this thread that Diana can pull the Earth solo. I AM making the assertion that she can pull the MOON solo, but, as stated a little while ago, and backed up by Nasa's own official website, that's only 1/80th as hard as moving planet Earth, if that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I think there was a reason it was only ever Kyle/Superman doing any of the solo heavy lifting. At least imo. Not saying it isn't impossible (Nothing is in comics) but ...

I think there were reasons, too, none of them valid.

Superman gets even the strength feats others can handle with ease typically.
There's generally no good intrinsic story validation for that.
4th Wall? Certainly. The powers that be feel Superman the showboat will bring in the most money.

At least that's been the case throughout much of DC history.

Are these people right?
I don't know.

I really don't think so.
I see on numerous websites how excited fans have become in recent years noting that some of THEIR favorite characters are getting screentime and properly awesome things to do. Doesn't seem coincidence that DC seems to be reaping better sales now because of that.

Damn, I bet Rage feels like a complete idiot right now.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I don't think your evidence necessarily supports and it hardly proves she could easily bend Adamantium.

Is there really such a thing as proof when you're dealing with non-objective reality? Your statement is pretty much unfalsifiable.

Supporting it? Don't know about you; pretty sure a lot of people will accept that a character who can move several times the mass of Earth's moon (JLA #75v1) is strong enough to bend even fantastically hard metal.

Heck, Curryman's statement proves people think that even WITHOUT feats to back these characters up, let alone things of the magnitude Diana's dealt with.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I don't think you'll find this particular subargument winnable, Pym

Ahh, a challenge then,

Lifting a Planet /=/ Moving a Planet

Matter can break gravitational fields by accelerating in a frictionless environment until mass of the matter > the mass of the gravitational field

Ie. Moving a moving moon /=/ moving a stationary weight

Or

We agree her best showings much like Supes/CM, Bladam lifting infinite, Thor lifting the nine realms, Herc lifting the Sky.... Are high showings and are not to be taken seriously for debates...

She has solid physical strength, but she isn't the strongest on the field

I don't see the difference in strength making any notable difference. Enchanted uru hammers on the other hand...

Actually I dunno. Because Orion has the motherbox and Diana has great equipment herself.

Carver give her the fkn sword uhuh

Originally posted by abhilegend
They didn't barely moved the moon. They moved it in between a few sentences.

Seeing how the entire mass of water on earth is about 0.02% of earth's mass and they were weakened especially superman and they actually moved the earth in orbit, its still a big feat. They were losing earth's orbit after they moved it in the orbit.

That's Kyle.

Oh? I thought Kyle was the one unconscious and the glowing green guy was Hal...somehow. All right makes sense now.

The stipulations of this match hurt Wonder Woman most of all, by far. Her superhuman speed and agility will be severely neutered. As such, Im voting for Thor and BRB to win here.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ahh, a challenge then,

Lifting a Planet /=/ Moving a Planet

Matter can break gravitational fields by accelerating in a frictionless environment until mass of the matter > the mass of the gravitational field

Ie. Moving a moving moon /=/ moving a stationary weight

Whether or not what you wrote above is true, it's not an answer to what you were trying to argue here:

Originally posted by pym-ftw
You're making an untrue assumption that they are all pulling an equal amount, Diana and Manhunter are not as strong as superman

You were trying to use THAT as an argument that Diana is not strong enough to move the moon solo.
THAT was the subargument I don't think you'll be able to win, if we're allowing Diana, Manhunter, and Superman used true Earth-moving force in JLA75.

For if they did, they moved a mass 81 times greater than the moon itself.
Meaning if Diana moved even 1/50th of the mass of the Earth as her contribution in JLA75, she still has more than enough strength to move the Moon solo.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sorry but posting that cropped scan right under your post was somewhat confusing.

A few issues before [JLAv1#75], Kyle/Superman/Diana [in JLAv1#58] barely pulled the moon (Couldn't do it again).

Together with the fact that in the scene you posted [from JLAv1#75], the water mass of Earth was displaced, the JLA were actually failing until Kyle stepped in IIRC and I'm going to go with Diana being unable to pull the Earth solo ...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

JLA v1 #58. Terror Incognita.
I think you might want to examine that story and the context of the statement more carefully. It wasn't merely that they needed to move the Moon.

They needed to move it before the White Martians, who had beaten every other hero group on Earth, snapped to their plan.

And they needed to move it at speed.

And after they moved it at speed, they needed to make sure that they quickly pulled out and put it back into proper orbit before its gravitational effects, increased greatly by bringing it so near, into Earth's very atmosphere, wrecked irreversible damage on Earth itself.

Their challenge wasn't merely moving the Moon from point A to point B.

Here are some scans from JLA58 to help people appreciate the context a bit better. Note that the lone word box of the original panoramic moon moving scene (which actually shows Earth in focus, too) was reaffixed.

Note as you said before, and as I alluded to myself earlier in this thread by saying her JLA feats are shared ones, this was not a solo effort, rather Kyle, Clark, and Diana working in concert.

Main point of posting this though, is to refute the idea this was something they could barely do. It wasn't. They weren't slowly ponderously straining against this thing as the JLA75 trio were shown doing for Earth.
No, this thing (the Moon) was moving fast. They HAD to move it fast -- they needed to bring it from its normal orbital position to inside Earth's atmosphere to activate their fire trap before the White Martian could realize what was happening and escape by flying off.

Lunatic Showdown

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Story: "Terror Incognita"
Source: JLA #58, Volume 1
Writer: Mark Waid
Penciller: Mike Miller
Date: November 2001
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Thor and Bill. Two magic lightning users in a room that's a small, enclosed, indestructible conductor. Eesh...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
She goes through cycles.

Really? You're bringing up her cycles?

Originally posted by Raisen
Really? You're bringing up her cycles?

I brought it up there, at least.

😕 Something you don't understand?