Spider-man W/Speed Force Vs Superman & Sentry

Spider-man has aquired the speedforce and has perfected it to his needs, he has created a completely new spider suit completely out off the speed force, his webs shoot out ftl also

CIS is off for spidey & sentry but on for supes

Pis off
Bfr off

Manhattan Marvel

Winner by ko or death

Can spidey win or will he be swatted like a bug

Spidey easy
Speed force amped FTFTL spidey sense for the win

superman solos, while sentry sips some tea

Is Spiderman allowed to steal speed like flash can? If so, team loses. They can't do anything to resist or prevent their kinetic energy from being stolen

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Spider-man has aquired the speedforce and has perfected it to his needs, he has created a completely new spider suit completely out off the speed force, his webs shoot out ftl also

CIS is off for spidey & sentry but on for supes

Pis off
Bfr off

Manhattan Marvel

Winner by ko or death

Can spidey win or will he be swatted like a bug

So...Flash vs. those two. I fail to see how any of Pete's other abilities contribute to this in a meaningful way.

Originally posted by Digi
So...Flash vs. those two. I fail to see how any of Pete's other abilities contribute to this in a meaningful way.

This.

Spidey sense is useless, since Flash's perception/reaction speed trumps it anyways.

FTL webs are also useless here except for decoration.

Originally posted by Digi
So...Flash vs. those two. I fail to see how any of Pete's other abilities contribute to this in a meaningful way.

And also, it was meant to be the other way around spiderman has cis the others don't,
His sense will be amped exponentially, his webs will feel more like a very hard punch, theoretically anyways

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
this is peterwith the speed force,

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
who is stronger

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
smarter

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
has spider sense

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
webs

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
can climb any object

Originally posted by Cogito
So, Flash.

Irrelevant against speedforce amped punches

Smarter in what way..science? Sure. All the Flashes have way more experience with using the speedforce though, and that matters much more.

Irrelevant with the speedforce involved

Broken like a twig

...Irrelevant. Supes and Sentry can fly, or did you forget? Also every flash can run up buildings, run on water, etc. KC Flash could use his speed to "run" on air as a way to control his descent from the air (he could not fly)

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
okay, your missing the whole point, 'faster climbing, the faster he shoots his blots of web at someone, an the faster they move, the more mass they gain, the harder, heavier they hit, ftl webs are gonna hurt imo, his spider sense is different to reaction speed, it alerts petey when he's in danger, so it will alert imo in theory.....as soon as someone moves to attact him in any way, this is a completely different character.... So, peter parker with the speed force,

You're missing the whole point.

The Speed-Force already amps Flash's perceptions and reactions way beyond Peter's. Beyond Superman and Sentry's, too. Spidey sense isn't going to help.

Also, the webbing isn't going to hurt more than a punch. Less even, since it has less mass.

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
this is peterwith the speed force, who is stronger, smarter, has spider sense, webs, can climb any object

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
And also, it was meant to be the other way around spiderman has cis the others don't,
His sense will be amped exponentially, his webs will feel more like a very hard punch, theoretically anyways

I don't think you understand how the speed force works. Pete's ability are entirely moot, unless you use his intelligence to go have him build machines at a super-fast rate.

Cogito's doing a decent job of explaining as well. Webs wouldn't hit any harder, also wouldn't hinder the duo even momentarily, and spider-sense is worthless when you can react with nano-second precision. The SS can't operate at any level at which is will be useful, outside of (perhaps) the initial attack from the duo. And Flash punches are already (theoretically) amped due to the speed. Compared to the punching power increase from the velocity, Pete's negligible extra strength won't change anything...99.9999% of the punch's power will still be because of velocity.

Originally posted by Cogito
You're missing the whole point.

The Speed-Force already amps Flash's perceptions and reactions way beyond Peter's. Beyond Superman and Sentry's, too. Spidey sense isn't going to help.

Also, the webbing isn't going to hurt more than a punch. Less even, since it has less mass.

this, i mean seriously ftl webs? gtfoh

Superman loses and Sentry then wins.

I do understand what how the speed force works, what I'm trying to say is it will still amp spideys sense & the webs mass.

Spidey sense won't be useless, I know how fast flashes reactions are, someone shot at him and when the bullet reached his neck, as it touched his neck, the dodge it because his speed drive kicked in, now with spidey sense he will be alerted that he's in danger when the gun is even pointed at him, thus activatng the speed drive before the bullet has left the chamber, so he would come A LOT less closer to death before wally would have in the same situation, that's what I was saying...

And the webs wouldn't weigh as much as a fist but if its moving ftl it will gain a lot of mass, getting heavier WHILE moving, so feeling more like a punch I didn't mean the speed force effects the webbing while its hanging from something

Him being smarter isn't irrelavent, the flashes can learn faster because there brain is faster than a supercomputer in ever catgory, blah blah blah, like they could attain a basic knowladge of quantum physics in a couple of minutes, maybe even become very well skilled in that department, but peter is already smarter than them, with the speed force it just wouldn't take him as long to figure problems out like, how to fight each characterentry and supes

And him climbing very very very very fast isn't irrelavent, it would help him to some extent

And if wally west had an arm wrestle with peter then peter would win, even if the speed force kicked in, his hand would be stationary with no where to go as petter would be holding his hand, so his punches may be harder when being amped by the speed force but peters will be far harder

You know Flash can just run up buildings, yeah? You keep reiterating that line about climbing faster. It really doesn't lend credence to your "I understand the speed force" argument.

srug

Also, unless Peter is using brains to build stuff, his combat intelligence is no better than Flash. Explain to me, with specific strategies, how it aids him in this fight.

Spider-sense won't alert him to anything that he couldn't dodge anyway with Flash speed. And it won't save him if there's an attack too powerful for Flash to avoid with his speed.

And, again, the webs won't do anything that punches won't, and they certainly won't hold the duo. Explain again how, despite you admitting that they'd hurt less than a fist, they still matter in this fight.

I'm like a top 5 Spider-Man fan on KMC. I made his first respect thread, I won a tournament with him, I made a "Mythbusters" post explaining exactly how spider-sense works, and I've defended him WAY too much. If there were any bones to throw him, I would. For all practical purposes, this fight is Wally or Barry vs. the duo.

Look at it this way: what hurts more, a Spidey punch or getting webbed directly? Punch, easily. Now speed those up x2. Still the punch. Now x1000, etc. You see where I'm going. At certain velocities, they'd probably become closer in overall impact, but webs would never become > punches.

Sure, the webs may hurt Superman/Sentry at such velocities. I don't dispute that. What I dispute is that they in any way influence the outcome, since he could do with punches anything he could do with webs, for the purposes of this fight. He's not tying them up, he's not reaching them if they decide to fly to space. They don't do anything useful at that point.

Originally posted by Digi
You know Flash can just run up buildings, yeah? You keep reiterating that line about climbing faster. It really doesn't lend credence to your "I understand the speed force" argument.

srug

Also, unless Peter is using brains to build stuff, his combat intelligence is no better than Flash. Explain to me, with specific strategies, how it aids him in this fight.

Spider-sense won't alert him to anything that he couldn't dodge anyway with Flash speed. And it won't save him if there's an attack too powerful for Flash to avoid with his speed.

And, again, the webs won't do anything that punches won't, and they certainly won't hold the duo. Explain again how, despite you admitting that they'd hurt less than a fist, they still matter in this fight.

I'm like a top 5 Spider-Man fan on KMC. I made his first respect thread, I won a tournament with him, I made a "Mythbusters" post explaining exactly how spider-sense works, and I've defended him WAY too much. If there were any bones to throw him, I would. For all practical purposes, this fight is Wally or Barry vs. the duo.

Originally posted by Digi
Look at it this way: what hurts more, a Spidey punch or getting webbed directly? Punch, easily. Now speed those up x2. Still the punch. Now x1000, etc. You see where I'm going. At certain velocities, they'd probably become closer in overall impact, but webs would never become > punches.

Sure, the webs may hurt Superman/Sentry at such velocities. I don't dispute that. What I dispute is that they in any way influence the outcome, since he could do with punches anything he could do with webs, for the purposes of this fight. He's not tying them up, he's not reaching them if they decide to fly to space. They don't do anything useful at that point.

Dude, stop!

Spiderman with SF = Flash of your choosing