Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by quanchi112
It does just not that powerful. Nah, you.

Sheev won.

Luke's body is greater than Sheev's.

Sheev was Luke no because his body is superior to bad posture Sheev's.

Nah, he was scarred and said so. You have no proof he lied when we physically see the scars.

It's very powerful. We both agree it's more powerful than dookus correct? Good we are describing you.

Sheev=Yoda

Without the force but with force Sheev outclasses Luke in every way considering he still had all his body parts while Luke lost a hand and Sheev is more powerful.

Sheev outclasses Luke in every since of the word.

He lied. Accept it. I,actually do. Luke didn't get messed up and neither did maul or Dooku. He was already like that. Again lighting doesn't change your eye color. His face and body are the way it is due to his deep emergin in the dark side. That's why when we see Anakin in ROtS when he is killing the Seperatist and the Jedi his eyes are like bright yellow. It's the dark side.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's very powerful. We both agree it's more powerful than dookus correct? Good we are describing you.

Sheev=Yoda

Without the force but with force Sheev outclasses Luke in every way considering he still had all his body parts while Luke lost a hand and Sheev is more powerful.

Sheev outclasses Luke in every since of the word.

He lied. Accept it. I,actually do. Luke didn't get messed up and neither did maul or Dooku. He was already like that. Again lighting doesn't change your eye color. His face and body are the way it is due to his deep emergin in the dark side. That's why when we see Anakin in ROtS when he is killing the Seperatist and the Jedi his eyes are like bright yellow. It's the dark side.

Nah, Sheev won. Yoda is overrated.

Luke's body is greater as you agree.

Sheev died so who cares. Wait till we see Luke in episode seven. You have no proof he lied. You just say so without anything to back you up

Lightning doesn't change eye color. I never said it did I said evil deeds did. Quit acting like a dolt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is more powerful than Dooku's but overall is rather weak.

Nah, Sheev won. Yoda is overrated.

Luke's body is greater as you agree.

Sheev died so who cares. Wait till we see Luke in episode seven. You have no proof he lied. You just say so without anything to back you up

Lightning doesn't change eye color. I never said it did I said evil deeds did. Quit acting like a dolt.

So we agree that it's more powerful than dookus. Thus anything dookus has done Sidious can also do and better since it's more powerful right?

The two characters are stalemates. You wanna know who is overrated. Maul. You thinking he can even compete with Dooku is hilarious.

Without the force. Add the force it's a powerhouse that makes Luke lol like a bug.

Maul was sheevs ***** so who cares about maul. Actually when we see Luke in episode 7 I've read it takes place like 30 years after the events of ROTJ and Luke has gone like pscycho. I actually do. Luke Maul and Dooku didn't turn all nasty, why did his eyes all of a sudden change from blue to yellow once he was getting shocked? It's been approved by Lucas as a role playing game has stated that he used an ancient Sith mask and Lucas nor Disney have said this is wrong thus leaving it as the only answer.

Being evil/the dark side good we agree. With that it also changes your face as well as seen by Sidious.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So we agree that it's more powerful than dookus. Thus anything dookus has done Sidious can also do and better since it's more powerful right?

The two characters are stalemates. You wanna know who is overrated. Maul. You thinking he can even compete with Dooku is hilarious.

Without the force. Add the force it's a powerhouse that makes Luke lol like a bug.

Maul was sheevs ***** so who cares about maul. Actually when we see Luke in episode 7 I've read it takes place like 30 years after the events of ROTJ and Luke has gone like pscycho. I actually do. Luke Maul and Dooku didn't turn all nasty, why did his eyes all of a sudden change from blue to yellow once he was getting shocked? It's been approved by Lucas as a role playing game has stated that he used an ancient Sith mask and Lucas nor Disney have said this is wrong thus leaving it as the only answer.

Being evil/the dark side good we agree. With that it also changes your face as well as seen by Sidious.

No, Yoda lost. Maul is a rival just ask Sheev. He was afraid of maul's mama. 😆

Nah, Sheev died and he screamed like a girl all the way down.

Maul got better and Sheev was Windu's *****.

No evidence film wise. In the film we see it and he says. No, lightning scarred his face.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said otherwise. Read my posts.

No, Yoda lost. Maul is a rival just ask Sheev. He was afraid of maul's mama. 😆

Nah, Sheev died and he screamed like a girl all the way down.

Maul got better and Sheev was Windu's *****.

No evidence film wise. In the film we see it and he says. No, lightning scarred his face.

So with that Sidious lighting is capable of killing much faster than dookus lighting who's at times has been shown to,kill on touch, shock multiple opponents and kill all on touch, pressure yoda, bend windus lightsaber, capable of incapacitating opponents, killing Vader, causing Luke extreme pain, and much more all of that qualifies as powerful.

Yoda is a stalemate to Sheev he just got the bad end of the pod. He won't say yes now that maul is out of the picture. Even then he would say as a Sith faction. He was wary of her he wasn't afraid of her. He took her on head on without the need of help. He was doing just fine before Dooku interfered.

Maul screamed like a little girl as he was shocked by Sidious. Maul may have gotten better in SOD but not by much. Even then the author still states his force powers aren't even close to,dookus.

Not scarring Luke or maul. Boom I win. In the film we also see his eyes change color but we agree lightning doesn't do,that. No his face was already like that.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So with that Sidious lighting is capable of killing much faster than dookus lighting who's at times has been shown to,kill on touch, shock multiple opponents and kill all on touch, pressure yoda, bend windus lightsaber, capable of incapacitating opponents, killing Vader, causing Luke extreme pain, and much more all of that qualifies as powerful.

Yoda is a stalemate to Sheev he just got the bad end of the pod. He won't say yes now that maul is out of the picture. Even then he would say as a Sith faction. He was wary of her he wasn't afraid of her. He took her on head on without the need of help. He was doing just fine before Dooku interfered.

Maul screamed like a little girl as he was shocked by Sidious. Maul may have gotten better in SOD but not by much. Even then the author still states his force powers aren't even close to,dookus.

Not scarring Luke or maul. Boom I win. In the film we also see his eyes change color but we agree lightning doesn't do,that. No his face was already like that.

Yoda lost. No, as he clearly found Maul to be a threat after Opress' death. Sheev was wary and needed Dooku to aid along with grievous. Sheev is a coward. Talzin looked to be superior to Sheev. 😂

It hurt Maul but he took Sheev and company on so great for Maul. I never claimed his force powers were up there but his skills with a saber are greater than Dooku's.

Only Sheev due to his weak face. He even said it scarred him. Fact. No mask was mentioned in continuity, boy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku's lightning isn't powerful. Vader's suit killed Vader so it wasn't like the force of the lightning itself did so. Yes, it can hurt people but it isn't extremely powerful

Yoda lost. No, as he clearly found Maul to be a threat after Opress' death. Sheev was wary and needed Dooku to aid along with grievous. Sheev is a coward. Talzin looked to be superior to Sheev. 😂

It hurt Maul but he took Sheev and company on so great for Maul. I never claimed his force powers were up there but his skills with a saber are greater than Dooku's.

Only Sheev due to his weak face. He even said it scarred him. Fact. No mask was mentioned in continuity, boy.

The lightning is what disabled the suit and caused him to die. The fact you don't understand this is shows lack of basic Star Wars knowledge.

Yoda is a stalemate to Sidious. The two themselves are stalemates. A threat in what? On an individual level nothing as Palpatine could easily take down maul as seen in lawless. He was a threat to the grand plan and things of that nature not in skill. Sheev forced talzin out of,dookus body and took on talzin by himself and then maul gave his energy to talzin and then Dooku joined in and then Grevious killed her.

Prove his skills in saber combat are better than dookus. Please try. What source states he is close, what fights shows he is, what shows that he his greater than Dooku in blade to blade combat. Please try and prove it. Dooku has shown far more versatility and refinement than maul and has way more experience and since this battle is on neutral ground do no buildings are on top of maul or Dooku maul really stands no chance.

However ago an why didn't Luke get scarred. You can't ignore facts. Also Sidious lied to them. Again eye color. Lighting doesn't make your eye color go from blue to yellow. If you say being evil does you concede,as being evil means being on the dark side and we all know the dark side changes physical features. Also Lucas has stated that the EU intrudes into the actual story of Star Wars in a quote of his. It goes in between the movies so they are not part of continuity but still happens. He lied to the senate.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The lightning is what disabled the suit and caused him to die. The fact you don't understand this is shows lack of basic Star Wars knowledge.

Yoda is a stalemate to Sidious. The two themselves are stalemates. A threat in what? On an individual level nothing as Palpatine could easily take down maul as seen in lawless. He was a threat to the grand plan and things of that nature not in skill. Sheev forced talzin out of,dookus body and took on talzin by himself and then maul gave his energy to talzin and then Dooku joined in and then Grevious killed her.

Prove his skills in saber combat are better than dookus. Please try. What source states he is close, what fights shows he is, what shows that he his greater than Dooku in blade to blade combat. Please try and prove it. Dooku has shown far more versatility and refinement than maul and has way more experience and since this battle is on neutral ground do no buildings are on top of maul or Dooku maul really stands no chance.

However ago an why didn't Luke get scarred. You can't ignore facts. Also Sidious lied to them. Again eye color. Lighting doesn't make your eye color go from blue to yellow. If you say being evil does you concede,as being evil means being on the dark side and we all know the dark side changes physical features. Also Lucas has stated that the EU intrudes into the actual story of Star Wars in a quote of his. It goes in between the movies so they are not part of continuity but still happens. He lied to the senate.

Yoda lost. Events matter. You ignore them and make shit up based off your fanboyism.

Being a threat to his grand plan shows how dangerous Maul is because he had his own plan. Sheev bested him but maul held his own for minutes so he's very close to his level.

Dooku lost to Vos. Dooku also lost to Anakin easily. I don't need to go ask someone to think for me. I argue based off evidence and thinking for myself. Maul's fights especially the one with Sheev prove he's greater than overrated Dooku.

Luke's body is superior and younger than Sheev. That's why. Sheev's was scarred and he said so. Evidence >>you. Show me any evidence from the film that shows this I was his Sith mask.

If they aren't part of continuity then they have no bearing on continuity. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
It shorted out a Suit but not force wise killed him.

Yoda lost. Events matter. You ignore them and make shit up based off your fanboyism.

Being a threat to his grand plan shows how dangerous Maul is because he had his own plan. Sheev bested him but maul held his own for minutes so he's very close to his level.

Dooku lost to Vos. Dooku also lost to Anakin easily. I don't need to go ask someone to think for me. I argue based off evidence and thinking for myself. Maul's fights especially the one with Sheev prove he's greater than overrated Dooku.

Luke's body is superior and younger than Sheev. That's why. Sheev's was scarred and he said so. Evidence >>you. Show me any evidence from the film that shows this I was his Sith mask.

If they aren't part of continuity then they have no bearing on continuity. 😂

What caused the suit to short out?

The two are stalemates as seen by the battle. Yoda just got the bad end of the pod.

I can be a threat to a plan but the weakest guy ever in terms of dueling. His skill had nothing to do it. It was his influence and control over mandalore and all the worlds it represented and the fact that he could have made his way to coruscant underbelly. False. Sheev was playing around with maul? He is not on his level of skill, he is not on Vaders, or dookus, he's on Obi WANs. So below a lot of people.

Explain why Dooku getting disarmed by vos is such a big deal. Especially when dooku had beaten him and Ventress at the same time before when everyone was healthy. Explain. I've beaten you in a all of those debates with no assistance except for that and that wasn't even real assistance. Maul has shown absolutely nothing that can even suggest he can beat Dooku. Dooku has done far more and has been revered far more than maul. Dooku received praise and acknowledgement from yoda someone who can stalemate Sidious.

If that were the case which is not that is counter balanced by the timing and power but into the lightning. Sidious has become more powerful since ROTS and
Luke was exposed to it for just as long if not a longer period of time so with all that if lighting ruined your face Luke's would be all messed up. He lied to the senate. He was already like that as his eyes all of a sudden change from blue to yellow. Lightning doesn't change eye color being on the dark side does as we both agree. We also see Luke and maul don't get messed up when they are shocked so and we also know that the dark side also takes a heavy toll on your physical appearance such as pale skin, yellow eyes. This is proven by how when Anakin was butchering all the Seperatist leaders his eyes immediantly turn yellow do to being apart of the dark side. The Sith mask was stated in a role playing game that neither Disney nor Lucas have denied. Film evidence shows that lightning doesn't just melt your face as others have been shocked and their faces weren't messed up.

Concession accepted. 😂 How many is that 3 in one post or is that from the other 2 threads.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
What caused the suit to short out?

The two are stalemates as seen by the battle. Yoda just got the bad end of the pod.

I can be a threat to a plan but the weakest guy ever in terms of dueling. His skill had nothing to do it. It was his influence and control over mandalore and all the worlds it represented and the fact that he could have made his way to coruscant underbelly. False. Sheev was playing around with maul? He is not on his level of skill, he is not on Vaders, or dookus, he's on Obi WANs. So below a lot of people.

Explain why Dooku getting disarmed by vos is such a big deal. Especially when dooku had beaten him and Ventress at the same time before when everyone was healthy. Explain. I've beaten you in a all of those debates with no assistance except for that and that wasn't even real assistance. Maul has shown absolutely nothing that can even suggest he can beat Dooku. Dooku has done far more and has been revered far more than maul. Dooku received praise and acknowledgement from yoda someone who can stalemate Sidious.

If that were the case which is not that is counter balanced by the timing and power but into the lightning. Sidious has become more powerful since ROTS and
Luke was exposed to it for just as long if not a longer period of time so with all that if lighting ruined your face Luke's would be all messed up. He lied to the senate. He was already like that as his eyes all of a sudden change from blue to yellow. Lightning doesn't change eye color being on the dark side does as we both agree. We also see Luke and maul don't get messed up when they are shocked so and we also know that the dark side also takes a heavy toll on your physical appearance such as pale skin, yellow eyes. This is proven by how when Anakin was butchering all the Seperatist leaders his eyes immediantly turn yellow do to being apart of the dark side. The Sith mask was stated in a role playing game that neither Disney nor Lucas have denied. Film evidence shows that lightning doesn't just melt your face as others have been shocked and their faces weren't messed up.

Concession accepted. 😂 How many is that 3 in one post or is that from the other 2 threads.

Yoda lost but left with his shame and his life.

Sheev was trying his hardest and came out on top. That's fine

because Maul escaped. Sheev was afraid of his mommy. 😂

Voss still won so that's bad. This isn't about Maul, hater.

He didn't lie about the force lightning. We saw it. Luke tanked it like a boss. Sheev was older and needed a cane. He was well past his prime. 😂

Nothing film related so nothing in continuity. In his film there is no with mask mentioned and people who watch films have all they need to know, dummy.

Khan crushes Yoda.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Weakass force lightning.

Yoda lost but left with his shame and his life.

Sheev was trying his hardest and came out on top. That's fine

because Maul escaped. Sheev was afraid of his mommy. 😂

Voss still won so that's bad. This isn't about Maul, hater.

He didn't lie about the force lightning. We saw it. Luke tanked it like a boss. Sheev was older and needed a cane. He was well past his prime. 😂

Nothing film related so nothing in continuity. In his film there is no with mask mentioned and people who watch films have all they need to know, dummy.

Khan crushes Yoda.

Thus the lightning killed Vader. Also powerful force lighting capable of killing.

Yoda is a stalemate to Sidious he just got the wrong end of the pod.

Sheev wasn't trying his hardest. Not at all. Why would he need to against a weak b***h like maul. He toyed around with him the entire battle and then on the last move he was disarmed. So then why are you getting on Dooku since yoda was actually trying and he was able to keep up with his speed.

He wasn't afraid of her. He came to her and faced her without hesitation. It acknowledged that she was growing powerful however he want afraid of her.

Again explain why that's bad. Especially with the conditions Dooku was under.

The force lightning didn't mess Luke's face up thus force lighting can't mess up Sidious. Sidious was already like that. He used an ancient Sith mask technique that hides his true face as stated by the role playing games which no one has denied. So it stays. Also the movies in that case contradict themselves, as why didn't Luke or windu get messed up or maul. Luke in that case should have been burnt to a crispndje to how long he was exposed and the power. It's all that Sith mask is their.

You know Lucas actually used ideas from the expanded universe and put them into the movies. He also has said that events that haven't gone past episode 6 intrude in between the films. Lucas hasn't denied the mask and also again lightning doesn't change your eye color. Going to the dark side does. Also going to the dark side and delving ing deep enough into it you sport pale skin and yellow eyes.

Yoda can just ragdoll khan.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Thus the lightning killed Vader. Also powerful force lighting capable of killing.

Yoda is a stalemate to Sidious he just got the wrong end of the pod.

Sheev wasn't trying his hardest. Not at all. Why would he need to against a weak b***h like maul. He toyed around with him the entire battle and then on the last move he was disarmed. So then why are you getting on Dooku since yoda was actually trying and he was able to keep up with his speed.

He wasn't afraid of her. He came to her and faced her without hesitation. It acknowledged that she was growing powerful however he want afraid of her.

Again explain why that's bad. Especially with the conditions Dooku was under.

The force lightning didn't mess Luke's face up thus force lighting can't mess up Sidious. Sidious was already like that. He used an ancient Sith mask technique that hides his true face as stated by the role playing games which no one has denied. So it stays. Also the movies in that case contradict themselves, as why didn't Luke or windu get messed up or maul. Luke in that case should have been burnt to a crispndje to how long he was exposed and the power. It's all that Sith mask is their.

You know Lucas actually used ideas from the expanded universe and put them into the movies. He also has said that events that haven't gone past episode 6 intrude in between the films. Lucas hasn't denied the mask and also again lightning doesn't change your eye color. Going to the dark side does. Also going to the dark side and delving ing deep enough into it you sport pale skin and yellow eyes.

Yoda can just ragdoll khan.

Fact is he fell and had the lower ground so Sheev was more tactical and won. Fact.

Based on him saying he's a rival. Him cackling is what he does in battle. He did so to Yoda.

He needed two allies against two of them. even when maul left he still kept pressing with grievous getting the easy kill. He's weak.

Dooku should be above Vos.

Pho thing in the film supports this. Lucas as a filmmaker shouldn't deceive the viewer this way. It scarred Sheev not Luke.

😂

Khan wins with one blast.
💃

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not power wise but shorting out his suit.

Fact is he fell and had the lower ground so Sheev was more tactical and won. Fact.

Based on him saying he's a rival. Him cackling is what he does in battle. He did so to Yoda.

He needed two allies against two of them. even when maul left he still kept pressing with grievous getting the easy kill. He's weak.

Dooku should be above Vos.

Pho thing in the film supports this. Lucas as a filmmaker shouldn't deceive the viewer this way. It scarred Sheev not Luke.

😂

Khan wins with one blast.
💃

In your opinion.

The fact is they are stalemates they both fell over but yoda being weighing less and being on the more open end of the pod that's why he fell so,far. Fact.

He didn't do,it,when he fought windu. He didn't do,it,as much during his duel with yoda. During the lightsaber duel with yoda he during the first few strikes and then he gets frustrated and then we see an angry man screaming. So he laughs when he has or believes he has the edge or believes he wins easily. This is shown by how when he is facing maul and his brother he laughs althroughout the duel or,shows,some type of ease.

well dookus assistantce is countered by the amp,talzin had with being on Dathomir then the help she got from maul. So yeah Sidious,is,pretty powerful. He was able to go toe to toe with her without the aid,if,anyone of anyone for a sec or to than maul gave her some energy and then Dooku stepped,in and talzin was done. I acknowledge that talzin is,powerful but even by ROTS Sidious is more powerful IMO. that was just lightning not an all out force battle.

He is. He beat vos when he had assistance from Ventress. So he defintly is above vos as he was beaten when he had help.

This proves that the lighting didn't do,it,as it didn't scar Luke and there is perfect reasoning for his face being like that besides lightning as the dark side misshapens a person. Eye color doesn't change by lightning it does by being apart of the dark,side,as seen by how maul has yellow eyes for all,of,his duel,with Sidious. Probably all of Star Wars.

Goku vs Khan. Who wins.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
In your opinion.

The fact is they are stalemates they both fell over but yoda being weighing less and being on the more open end of the pod that's why he fell so,far. Fact.

He didn't do,it,when he fought windu. He didn't do,it,as much during his duel with yoda. During the lightsaber duel with yoda he during the first few strikes and then he gets frustrated and then we see an angry man screaming. So he laughs when he has or believes he has the edge or believes he wins easily. This is shown by how when he is facing maul and his brother he laughs althroughout the duel or,shows,some type of ease.

well dookus assistantce is countered by the amp,talzin had with being on Dathomir then the help she got from maul. So yeah Sidious,is,pretty powerful. He was able to go toe to toe with her without the aid,if,anyone of anyone for a sec or to than maul gave her some energy and then Dooku stepped,in and talzin was done. I acknowledge that talzin is,powerful but even by ROTS Sidious is more powerful IMO. that was just lightning not an all out force battle.

He is. He beat vos when he had assistance from Ventress. So he defintly is above vos as he was beaten when he had help.

This proves that the lighting didn't do,it,as it didn't scar Luke and there is perfect reasoning for his face being like that besides lightning as the dark side misshapens a person. Eye color doesn't change by lightning it does by being apart of the dark,side,as seen by how maul has yellow eyes for all,of,his duel,with Sidious. Probably all of Star Wars.

Goku vs Khan. Who wins.

So Yoda lost. You can't say oh poor Yoda he weighs less. His problem. He failed.

So what ? Windu bested him. Fact. Yoda according to you was his force stalemate so him doing so thus proves it doesn't mean anything.

Sidious needed aid. It's so weak he didn't take her on his own. You can pretend he took her on by himself but he needed the help. Weakened Talzin>>Sidious. 😂

It shows he can win some but also lose some to Vos.

The scene shows it scarred Sheev and he brings it up. Evidence >>>you.

😂

Quit going off topic against some shitty character I couldn't care less about. Khan wins this thread, loser.

Yoda wins WAY easier than the poll suggests

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yoda wins WAY easier than the poll suggests

Khan wins.

Nope, the poll is correct, this thread is now over. Quan take a look at the poll... get back to me when 25% think Khan will win. Until then this is an epic stomp in favor of Yoda. The poll is clear.. you lose.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope, the poll is correct, this thread is now over. Quan take a look at the poll... get back to me when 25% think Khan will win. Until then this is an epic stomp in favor of Yoda. The poll is clear.. you lose.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope, the poll is correct, this thread is now over. Quan take a look at the poll... get back to me when 25% think Khan will win. Until then this is an epic stomp in favor of Yoda. The poll is clear.. you lose.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well the fact is he died after he took his helmet off so the Lightning didn't kill him. 😂

So Yoda lost. You can't say oh poor Yoda he weighs less. His problem. He failed.

So what ? Windu bested him. Fact. Yoda according to you was his force stalemate so him doing so thus proves it doesn't mean anything.

Sidious needed aid. It's so weak he didn't take her on his own. You can pretend he took her on by himself but he needed the help. Weakened Talzin>>Sidious. 😂

It shows he can win some but also lose some to Vos.

The scene shows it scarred Sheev and he brings it up. Evidence >>>you.

😂

Quit going off topic against some shitty character I couldn't care less about. Khan wins this thread, loser.

Vader said it doesn't matter now so whether he kept the helmet on or not it wouldn't have mattered. Sidious killed Vader with lightning. Nice try 😂

Well the fact is he and Sidious are stalemates and only went farther due to lack of weight and bad end of the pod. Facts have beaten you once again.

Windu was allowed to win as presented by the evidence I've presented. Exactly sow one of equal or near equal strenght he doesn't laugh he takes them seriously. Windu accomplished this when he and a 100% amp vaapad and even then he wasn't able to defeat him. He was his lightsaber stalemate windu was with that advantage.

He didn't need help he could have killed windu before that. Sidious is better than windu.

I'm not saying he took her own by HIMSLEF the whole time but there was a time a time where he took on talzin by HIMSLEF and then maul gave her some help and then dokku evened the playing field and she couldn't hold it. Talzin is powerful but she wouldn't beat Sidious.

Under very specific circumstances that normally won't happen. So no not really u less those specific circumstances were put in place. Even then only one factor must be taken out and then Dooku wins.

It shows his true face which was caused by many many years of being on the dark side. More than 50 years or around that. He is lieing to senate. David Filoni even says it's a lie in an interview where he states that it's false when Palptine goes up to the senate and say the Jedi have scarred him explains his manipulation skills but also diving in on how it's a lie that the Jedi have scarred him. So evidence is greater than you as it shows that the lightning didn't do it. It didn't scar Luke and palpatine lied to the senate about being scarred.

Just answer the question. I wanna see how far you fanboy ism goes. This is goku as of the Freiza saga.