Originally posted by BloodRain
So does Movie!Supes have that training comic!Supes has?
Not even close. Comic Superman trained in several martial arts before the DC-Wide reboot, and even after it it's been suggested that he's done boxing.
In the movie, he's experienced with his powers, but has no real combat skill to speak of. Hell, it's heavily suggested that he throws his first ever punch when he's going up against the Kryptonians.
Originally posted by BloodRainWhen did I ever claim he did ?
So does Movie!Supes have that training comic!Supes has?Explain how this isnt an intended stomp when you know this Supes lack the training and is physically weaker than Spock. Unless you mean to say you did not know these things?
Superman beat a trainer warrior Zod. I guess you feel his skill sucks as does Zods. Ok.
Originally posted by quanchi112As you know it'd take a high level of skill to take on a character with skill and superhuman strength. Its not about 'skills sucking', its about his skill needing to be exceedingly above Spocks to balance the power difference.
When did I ever claim he did ?Superman beat a trainer warrior Zod. I guess you feel his skill sucks as does Zods. Ok.
You know he hasn't show this grand-master level of skill to make this even, but believe its still a fair match?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Not even close. Comic Superman trained in several martial arts before the DC-Wide reboot, and even after it it's been suggested that he's done boxing.In the movie, he's experienced with his powers, but has no real combat skill to speak of. Hell, it's heavily suggested that he throws his first ever punch when he's going up against the Kryptonians.
Heard the.. name alludes me, the Kryptonite martial arts is meant to be really potent?
Originally posted by BloodRainHe was skilled enough to beat a trained combatant on Krypton. I guess everyone agrees Spock is greater in both skill and strength outside a yellow sun amp than Superman is.
As you know it'd take a high level of skill to take on a character with skill and superhuman strength. Its not about 'skills sucking', its about his skill needing to be exceedingly above Spocks to balance the power difference.You know he hasn't show this grand-master level of skill to make this even, but believe its still a fair match?
Heard the.. name alludes me, the Kryptonite martial arts is meant to be really potent?
Originally posted by BloodRain
As you know it'd take a high level of skill to take on a character with skill and superhuman strength. Its not about 'skills sucking', its about his skill needing to be exceedingly above Spocks to balance the power difference.You know he hasn't show this grand-master level of skill to make this even, but believe its still a fair match?
Heard the.. name alludes me, the Kryptonite martial arts is meant to be really potent?
torqasm rao/vo?
Those too, but I was talking more about human fighting styles. Superman in the comics trained under Batman, and regularly spars with Wonder Woman.
The problem is that, while Zod was far more skilled than Superman, Superman was able to bridge that gulf by being a fair shade more powerful, having lived on Earth for much longer and having become used to the atmosphere. Zod and Faora needed more time to recover between fights, because they were still new to their powers, and they weren't on Earth long enough to completely adjust the way Superman was.
Superman's stamina and endurance were insane in that movie, and it ultimately got him through the bulk of the trouble.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was skilled enough to beat a trained combatant on Krypton. I guess everyone agrees Spock is greater in both skill and strength outside a yellow sun amp than Superman is.
Originally posted by -Pr-
torqasm rao/vo?Those too, but I was talking more about human fighting styles. Superman in the comics trained under Batman, and regularly spars with Wonder Woman.
The problem is that, while Zod was far more skilled than Superman, Superman was able to bridge that gulf by being a fair shade more powerful, having lived on Earth for much longer and having become used to the atmosphere. Zod and Faora needed more time to recover between fights, because they were still new to their powers, and they weren't on Earth long enough to completely adjust the way Superman was.
Superman's stamina and endurance were insane in that movie, and it ultimately got him through the bulk of the trouble.
Well then we need to get the reboot Bats and WW films going to get this Supes back in shape.
Its War of the Worlds all over again.. Hard to always picture someone with his speed and strength using a decent fighting style, and the comic panels and rare shots in animation of it don't really help.
Originally posted by BloodRainJust because I believe something that doesn't mean everyone else agrees, pansy.
Do you believe that his and the combatants skills are are a much greater degree than Spocks? If not then you didn't create this as a fair fight.Well then we need to get the reboot Bats and WW films going to get this Supes back in shape.
Its War of the Worlds all over again.. Hard to always picture someone with his speed and strength using a decent fighting style, and the comic panels and rare shots in animation of it don't really help.
Originally posted by -Pr-I think Zod Tvo'd Kal-El in the ship. And that T-Vo was the new never before seen(movies) power Jim Lee talked about.
torqasm rao/vo?Those too, but I was talking more about human fighting styles. Superman in the comics trained under Batman, and regularly spars with Wonder Woman.
The problem is that, while Zod was far more skilled than Superman, Superman was able to bridge that gulf by being a fair shade more powerful, having lived on Earth for much longer and having become used to the atmosphere. Zod and Faora needed more time to recover between fights, because they were still new to their powers, and they weren't on Earth long enough to completely adjust the way Superman was.
Superman's stamina and endurance were insane in that movie, and it ultimately got him through the bulk of the trouble.
Heres the thing; The way this thread was intended was to pit a very skilled Spock with superhuman strength against a version of Superman without his formal training and without any powers. In this sense its basically a stomp thread however you wish to look at it. (naughty Quan)
However, apart from the raw 1 v 1 part of this thread we have the rest of the OP; Could Spock survive on Krypton?
We already know that the atmospheric conditions on Krypton would kill any human, and even with his super self Clark was downed for not having adapted to these conditions. Not only is Spock half human, but there's nothing to suggest that he could breath it without succumbing to the same effects. We know the Vulcan homeworld is of a thinner atmosphere, so its not actually deadly to humans unlike Krypton.
Not to forget the gravity, of course. Vulcan's get their strength, compared to a human, for being brought up on a planet with 1.4g (To Earths 1g, obviously). Meanwhile Movie!Krypton's gravity is stated to be between 4g and 10g. Now while Spock may weigh 180 on Earth and 252 lbs on Vulcan, making for the super strength, on Krypton he would weigh between 720 and 1,800 lbs.. Spock would either be crushed to death or be rendered motionless from this force.
TL;DR As per the threads location, the battle comes down to this:
Clark with human strength and being made unconscious [his kind can still live in this condition] from the atmosphere VS Spock with sub-human strength [due to gravity] and being poisoned from the atmosphere.
Basically an unconscious human VS an unconscious, dying sub-human.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Just because I believe something that doesn't mean everyone else agrees, pansy.
Originally posted by BloodRainNo, and dolos disagrees. Quit acting like you speak for everyone. I feel Russell stomps Link. Does he iyo ?
Heres the thing; The way this thread was intended was to pit a very skilled Spock with superhuman strength against a version of Superman without his formal training and without any powers. In this sense its basically a stomp thread however you wish to look at it. (naughty Quan)However, apart from the raw 1 v 1 part of this thread we have the rest of the OP; Could Spock survive on Krypton?
We already know that the atmospheric conditions on Krypton would kill any human, and even with his super self Clark was downed for not having adapted to these conditions. Not only is Spock half human, but there's nothing to suggest that he could breath it without succumbing to the same effects. We know the Vulcan homeworld is of a thinner atmosphere, so its not actually deadly to humans unlike Krypton.
Not to forget the gravity, of course. Vulcan's get their strength, compared to a human, for being brought up on a planet with 1.4g (To Earths 1g, obviously). Meanwhile Movie!Krypton's gravity is stated to be between 4g and 10g. Now while Spock may weigh 180 on Earth and 252 lbs on Vulcan, making for the super strength, on Krypton he would weigh between 720 and 1,800 lbs.. Spock would either be crushed to death or be rendered motionless from this force.
TL;DR As per the threads location, the battle comes down to this:
Clark with human strength and being made unconscious [his kind can still live in this condition] from the atmosphere VS Spock with sub-human strength [due to gravity] and being poisoned from the atmosphere.Basically an unconscious human VS an unconscious, dying sub-human.
You know you're kinda admitting ya intentionally made this as a stomp and/or a bait thread, right?
I mean your logic is laughable.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Heres the thing; The way this thread was intended was to pit a very skilled Spock with superhuman strength against a version of Superman without his formal training and without any powers. In this sense its basically a stomp thread however you wish to look at it. (naughty Quan)However, apart from the raw 1 v 1 part of this thread we have the rest of the OP; Could Spock survive on Krypton?
We already know that the atmospheric conditions on Krypton would kill any human, and even with his super self Clark was downed for not having adapted to these conditions. Not only is Spock half human, but there's nothing to suggest that he could breath it without succumbing to the same effects. We know the Vulcan homeworld is of a thinner atmosphere, so its not actually deadly to humans unlike Krypton.
Not to forget the gravity, of course. Vulcan's get their strength, compared to a human, for being brought up on a planet with 1.4g (To Earths 1g, obviously). Meanwhile Movie!Krypton's gravity is stated to be between 4g and 10g. Now while Spock may weigh 180 on Earth and 252 lbs on Vulcan, making for the super strength, on Krypton he would weigh between 720 and 1,800 lbs.. Spock would either be crushed to death or be rendered motionless from this force.
TL;DR As per the threads location, the battle comes down to this:
Clark with human strength and being made unconscious [his kind can still live in this condition] from the atmosphere VS Spock with sub-human strength [due to gravity] and being poisoned from the atmosphere.Basically an unconscious human VS an unconscious, dying sub-human.
Interesting points...