Originally posted by quanchi112
Try to act like the gun wasn't portrayed as really powerful all you want. It won't change anything,
I didn't say it wasn't powerful, especially from a handheld weapon, but it is nowhere near as powerful as you always imply.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he was not. Prove he was weakened then.
Kryptonian atmosphere. Learn the implication.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't try to change the op I started a fact. Khan's strength isn't dependent on a young star whereas Superman's definitely are.
So whats the point of bringing up low ends then?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. Cut out the personal insults and try acting like an adult every once in a while.
What personal insult? What, "Trollchi?" Saying what you are isn't an insult, just stating the facts.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroHow powerful have implied ?
I didn't say it wasn't powerful, especially from a handheld weapon, but it is nowhere near as powerful as you always imply.Kryptonian atmosphere. Learn the implication.
So whats the point of bringing up low ends then?
What personal insult? What, "Trollchi?" Saying what you are isn't an insult, just stating the facts.
You are getting confused here.
It is a fact. I didn't make it up so quit trying to avoid objective facts. It's really troubling if you ask me.
Every time I start an argument and start using evidence you run and hide.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How powerful have implied ?
Your implication of using the word "Warship" incorrectly on every possible occasion, for one. For two, because it took down those transports, it must be some kind of uberweapon according to you.
Heck, the very term "Uber Cannon" that you have repeatedly used is a misnomer right from the start.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are getting confused here.
Really? Explain.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is a fact. I didn't make it up so quit trying to avoid objective facts. It's really troubling if you ask me.
Except low ends are irrelevant in debates Quan. You know this already. You ALWAYS go by high end feats in an objective vs debate. For if one cannot debate and defeat a character at their best, then there is no point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Every time I start an argument and start using evidence you run and hide.
I have never done this, and you have never presented evidence with any clear objective stance. Every single time, it has always come down to how far you can color it to suit yourself. it is completely dishonest and irrelevant. Your recent flop at a BZ challenge proves that, not only can you not debate honestly and consider ALL the evidence your sources provide, but you, as I have said for nearly 3 years, prefer to stack the deck in your favour by trying to dictate terms of engagement rather than actually have the balls to debate all the evidence.
You once asked me why I never accept any BZ challenges from you, my answer is clear, you cannot do it properly. I refuse to cut out entire portions of canon (IE: Movies Only!) simply to satisfy your urge to try and scrape a win against incomplete portrayals, mere paper thin carbon copies of the actual characters you want to challenge. That is the mark of sheer cowardice on your part.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroIt was a shipped used to war. You crying over the warps war doesn't prove your point. I can call it an über gun based off what the other Trek guns are capable of by comparison. If you had a shred of intelligence you'd understand as much. Whoopsy daisy.
Your implication of using the word "Warship" incorrectly on every possible occasion, for one. For two, because it took down those transports, it must be some kind of uberweapon according to you.Heck, the very term "Uber Cannon" that you have repeatedly used is a misnomer right from the start.
Really? Explain.
Except low ends are irrelevant in debates Quan. You know this already. You ALWAYS go by high end feats in an objective vs debate. For if one cannot debate and defeat a character at their best, then there is no point.
I have never done this, and you have never presented evidence with any clear objective stance. Every single time, it has always come down to how far you can color it to suit yourself. it is completely dishonest and irrelevant. Your recent flop at a BZ challenge proves that, not only can you not debate honestly and consider ALL the evidence your sources provide, but you, as I have said for nearly 3 years, prefer to stack the deck in your favour by trying to dictate terms of engagement rather than actually have the balls to debate all the evidence.
You once asked me why I never accept any BZ challenges from you, my answer is clear, you cannot do it properly. I refuse to cut out entire portions of canon (IE: Movies Only!) simply to satisfy your urge to try and scrape a win against incomplete portrayals, mere paper thin carbon copies of the actual characters you want to challenge. That is the mark of sheer cowardice on your part.
The terms low and high are subjective themselves. Objective facts are never not used or ignored in a non biased debate. How his powers works doesn't get ignored just because you're having a bad day.
The last time I posted evidence you cried I needed to alter my posts and ran from me. I savored the victory and took what you had left of your manhood.
No, that is incorrect. You have never done one yourself. I have always be interested in this format but despite everyone saying Vader still stomps no one has the balls to face me.
I am about to go elsewhere because no one will stand up to me in the movie versus that disagrees with me.
Shame.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was a shipped used to war. You crying over the warps war doesn't prove your point. I can call it an über gun based off what the other Trek guns are capable of by comparison. If you had a shred of intelligence you'd understand as much. Whoopsy daisy.
They were planetary security patrol and troop transporters, Security Vessels. Learn the damn difference in terminology.
You use the word "Warship" to make the fact that the Phase Cannon took them down sound more impressive than it is, this is why incorrect terminology falls on it's face.
Now, if we were to examine one of these so-called "Warships" in any detail beyond the name, then the feat becomes REALLY trivial. As I said, unarmed, unarmoured, unshielded atmospheric craft, not even in the same league as a Bird of Prey, which is currently the smallest actual warship in the Klingon Fleet, and that is pre-time rewrite.
Conversely, Kal gutted a Kryptonian Colony Ship with a sweep of his heat vision. This vessel dwarves the Klingon troop transporter by several multipliers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The terms low and high are subjective themselves. Objective facts are never not used or ignored in a non biased debate. How his powers works doesn't get ignored just because you're having a bad day.
who said I am ignoring anything? My point is, you ONLY use the low ends and attempt to try and pass that off as the norm, for example, kal getting struck by the laser, yet later he is seen tanking multiple strikes from empowered kryptonians trained militarily, and getting a gravity piledriver from 2 sides and being able to overcome it, which is a feat so far beyond Khan it is laughable.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The last time I posted evidence you cried I needed to alter my posts and ran from me. I savored the victory and took what you had left of your manhood.
I asked you to use the damn quote function correctly, because the posts were so huge I had to keep trying to separate it, but all you do is speed post and never actually take proper care and consideration. it is disrespectful to everyone who has to suffer a migrane from reading it, and that's on top of the brain enyurism your posting content already brings on.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that is incorrect. You have never done one yourself. I have always be interested in this format but despite everyone saying Vader still stomps no one has the balls to face me.
So what? I can see how they work Quan, despite your protestations, I'm not an idiot, I know how they work, and I also know how often you try to f**k the system with a jackhammer by trying to stack the rules of engagement in your favour. it's not that nobody is willing to debate the subject, it's the fact that you are such an asshat about it, it becomes absolutely useless and a waste of time. Scenario can prove this beyond any doubt. In fact, you have never won a single battlezone, so I don't see any reason why you prefer that format, other than the fact that you don't have to deal with multiple people telling you that you are wrong, and if that is the only reason, then you are a sad person who literally cannot stand dissenting opinions, and I am guessing that is why you troll and do your trash talking as badly as you do.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am about to go elsewhere because no one will stand up to me in the movie versus that disagrees with me.Shame.
No, it's that nobody is willing to step on the dogshit covered landmine. If you didn't try to dictate the stipulations right from the get go, then I am willing to bet real money that Darth power would have done the challenge, and beat you senseless with it. You seem to be shit-scared of anything to do with TCW, despite it's canon status, even by Disney, who pretty much tossed out everything else bar the movies, radioplays and movie novels.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
They were planetary security patrol and troop transporters, Security Vessels. Learn the damn difference in terminology.You use the word "Warship" to make the fact that the Phase Cannon took them down sound more impressive than it is, this is why incorrect terminology falls on it's face.
Now, if we were to examine one of these so-called "Warships" in any detail beyond the name, then the feat becomes REALLY trivial. As I said, unarmed, unarmoured, unshielded atmospheric craft, not even in the same league as a Bird of Prey, which is currently the smallest actual warship in the Klingon Fleet, and that is pre-time rewrite.
Conversely, Kal gutted a Kryptonian Colony Ship with a sweep of his heat vision. This vessel dwarves the Klingon troop transporter by several multipliers.
who said I am ignoring anything? My point is, you ONLY use the low ends and attempt to try and pass that off as the norm, for example, kal getting struck by the laser, yet later he is seen tanking multiple strikes from empowered kryptonians trained militarily, and getting a gravity piledriver from 2 sides and being able to overcome it, which is a feat so far beyond Khan it is laughable.
I asked you to use the damn quote function correctly, because the posts were so huge I had to keep trying to separate it, but all you do is speed post and never actually take proper care and consideration. it is disrespectful to everyone who has to suffer a migrane from reading it, and that's on top of the brain enyurism your posting content already brings on.
So what? I can see how they work Quan, despite your protestations, I'm not an idiot, I know how they work, and I also know how often you try to f**k the system with a jackhammer by trying to stack the rules of engagement in your favour. it's not that nobody is willing to debate the subject, it's the fact that you are such an asshat about it, it becomes absolutely useless and a waste of time. Scenario can prove this beyond any doubt. In fact, you have never won a single battlezone, so I don't see any reason why you prefer that format, other than the fact that you don't have to deal with multiple people telling you that you are wrong, and if that is the only reason, then you are a sad person who literally cannot stand dissenting opinions, and I am guessing that is why you troll and do your trash talking as badly as you do.
No, it's that nobody is willing to step on the dogshit covered landmine. If you didn't try to dictate the stipulations right from the get go, then I am willing to bet real money that Darth power would have done the challenge, and beat you senseless with it. You seem to be shit-scared of anything to do with TCW, despite it's canon status, even by Disney, who pretty much tossed out everything else bar the movies, radioplays and movie novels.
Prove what you're saying with video evidence otherwise just calm down. You're so sensitive these days.
You don't have to compare the hv to the über cannon. A far less impressive laser rocked Kal.
I didn't ignore any of that and still do not. The point is Khan using powerful lasers is relevant to Kal since powerful lasers have rocked him. The other stuff isn't as relevant since Khan doesn't use modern day weaponry.
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Glad to hear you as it you tucked tail and ran.
You're all scared of me. It is glorious. Despite proclaims Vader still easily wins none of you will dare face me.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not at all. When in the film do they use those terms ? You can't use your own terms and act like that is definitive proof while crying if someone uses the word warship.
That's weird, I never heard them actually called Warships in the movie either. So, when a vessel is not named, nor is a class of vessel given, then we look to what we do know. #1: the vessel is unarmed, unarmoured, unshielded, and not seen to leave the atmosphere. And it is about as big as a shuttlecraft, a vessel so small, it fits inside the hangars of actual warships.
There, with simple logical deductive reasoning, I have proven that the vessels the Phase Cannon shot down, are not, by any definition, warships.
Your move.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove what you're saying with video evidence otherwise just calm down. You're so sensitive these days.
Wait, what? You want me to produce a video of you ignoring high end feats? What is this in response to?
This is why I urge you to quote correctly.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't have to compare the hv to the über cannon. A far less impressive laser rocked Kal.
But you once again ignore what happened later, and what Kal tanked, which pretty much destroys the low end your espousing.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't ignore any of that and still do not. The point is Khan using powerful lasers is relevant to Kal since powerful lasers have rocked him. The other stuff isn't as relevant since Khan doesn't use modern day weaponry.
Outside of the security patrol vessels, and some ordinary Klingon soldiers, the Phase Canon is effectively featless.
I can parry this facet all day long, including the fact that Kryptonian Weapons may well be designed to work more effectively on Kryptonian Physiology. #2: I could also express the theory that, since the laser stunned Kal, and was not used on anything else in comparison, and then com[pare that the the double gravity well piledriver that Kal tanked, I can therefore conclude that the kryptonian laser is, by definitive power scaling, far more powerful than the Phase Cannon.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Glad to hear you as it you tucked tail and ran.
Your glad that your post style causes headaches? You are a stupid person...
Originally posted by quanchi112
You're all scared of me. It is glorious. Despite proclaims Vader still easily wins none of you will dare face me.
You won't dare face the complete character instead of a watered down carbon copy of Vader? Who cares about your paper mache clone?
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroSo since they didn't use any words to describe the ships you concede your tantrum you call a claim.
That's weird, I never heard them actually called Warships in the movie either. So, when a vessel is not named, nor is a class of vessel given, then we look to what we do know. #1: the vessel is unarmed, unarmoured, unshielded, and not seen to leave the atmosphere. And it is about as big as a shuttlecraft, a vessel so small, it fits inside the hangars of actual warships.There, with simple logical deductive reasoning, I have proven that the vessels the Phase Cannon shot down, are not, by any definition, warships.
Your move.
Wait, what? You want me to produce a video of you ignoring high end feats? What is this in response to?
This is why I urge you to quote correctly.
But you once again ignore what happened later, and what Kal tanked, which pretty much destroys the low end your espousing.
Outside of the security patrol vessels, and some ordinary Klingon soldiers, the Phase Canon is effectively featless.
I can parry this facet all day long, including the fact that Kryptonian Weapons may well be designed to work more effectively on Kryptonian Physiology. #2: I could also express the theory that, since the laser stunned Kal, and was not used on anything else in comparison, and then com[pare that the the double gravity well piledriver that Kal tanked, I can therefore conclude that the kryptonian laser is, by definitive power scaling, far more powerful than the Phase Cannon.
Your glad that your post style causes headaches? You are a stupid person...
You won't dare face the complete character instead of a watered down carbon copy of Vader? Who cares about your paper mache clone?
We see the ships used by a war like people with weaponry used for transport so just like any warship they be used for multiple functions not just one. Only you would believe they are just used for transport.
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I said prove they are just transport ships with video evidence but you already conceded. Progress is wonderful.
Apples and oranges. Lasers still hurt Kal and the other avenues of attack that aren't relevant to the weapons Khan employs. Quit ignoring what lasers do to him. 🙂
So you ignore the destructive feats of it and then say it is featless. That is the definition of ignoring. The irony is palpable.
No, that wouldn't mean I'm stupid it would mean I'm sadistic. Irony again abounds.
I don't think the love action version of Vader is watered down. You have no faith in the actual character. Lucas created.
This is amazing confirmation.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
So since they didn't use any words to describe the ships you concede your tantrum you call a claim.
I concede nothing, your not reading.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see the ships used by a war like people with weaponry used for transport so just like any warship they be used for multiple functions not just one. Only you would believe they are just used for transport.
You would, of course, prove that they have weapons, or are used for any other function other than rapid troop deployment, but, of course, you can't, so my point remains. Even of it had onboard weapons, armor, shielding, and impulse/warp, it would STILL not be a warship by definition, it is simply too small and too fragile, nor does it fit the role of a warship.
Your constant referral to using "Warship" simply as a ship that is used in a war is also incorrect, the correct term is "Combat vessel, a vessel used in wartime", that fits a much broader spectrum than what you use, and it can't me used as a buff by saying "Ubergun took down a Warship lolz!" because that kind of statement ignores the context. When one says it like that, they think the Phase Cannon could probably plug a hole in the Enterprise or the Vengeance. And I am going to go out on a limb and say I think you Know how stupid that sounds.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I said prove they are just transport ships with video evidence but you already conceded. Progress is wonderful.
Because that's all they do onscreen? Like the Chinook, all they do is allow their squads to rope rappel down to the ground. Not an ounce of actual combat ability was ever shown onscreen by these vessels.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Apples and oranges. Lasers still hurt Kal and the other avenues of attack that aren't relevant to the weapons Khan employs. Quit ignoring what lasers do to him.
No it's not. By that logic, Kal can tank the Phase Cannon because it uses thermal energy to work, which is the same thing as HV. If you took a look at what the cannon actually does, it burns through things, like the Klingon bodies, or the security vessels, it does this through heat exchange, which is exactly what Kal tanked when Zod fired on him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you ignore the destructive feats of it and then say it is featless. That is the definition of ignoring. The irony is palpable.
it cut through the featless security ships, and a couple of flesh bags in the Klingon's bodies. That's it. Kal has destroyed, and withstood SO much more than that, AND survived. You want to use early and inexperienced incarnations of Kal, not peak Kal.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that wouldn't mean I'm stupid it would mean I'm sadistic. Irony again abounds.
Ok, so your sadistic and stupid....
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think the love action version of Vader is watered down. You have no faith in the actual character. Lucas created.This is amazing confirmation.
Lucas helped build TCW series you mental midget. It has had high canon status before Disney, and continues to do so now post Disney wipes.
TCW has Lucas's characterisation, because he helped make it, it got his approval, your excuses in this area are truly pathetic right now.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroYou did concede and I accepted.
I concede nothing, your not reading.You would, of course, prove that they have weapons, or are used for any other function other than rapid troop deployment, but, of course, you can't, so my point remains. Even of it had onboard weapons, armor, shielding, and impulse/warp, it would STILL not be a warship by definition, it is simply too small and too fragile, nor does it fit the role of a warship.
Your constant referral to using "Warship" simply as a ship that is used in a war is also incorrect, the correct term is "Combat vessel, a vessel used in wartime", that fits a much broader spectrum than what you use, and it can't me used as a buff by saying "Ubergun took down a Warship lolz!" because that kind of statement ignores the context. When one says it like that, they think the Phase Cannon could probably plug a hole in the Enterprise or the Vengeance. And I am going to go out on a limb and say I think you Know how stupid that sounds.
Because that's all they do onscreen? Like the Chinook, all they do is allow their squads to rope rappel down to the ground. Not an ounce of actual combat ability was ever shown onscreen by these vessels.
No it's not. By that logic, Kal can tank the Phase Cannon because it uses thermal energy to work, which is the same thing as HV. If you took a look at what the cannon actually does, it burns through things, like the Klingon bodies, or the security vessels, it does this through heat exchange, which is exactly what Kal tanked when Zod fired on him.
it cut through the featless security ships, and a couple of flesh bags in the Klingon's bodies. That's it. Kal has destroyed, and withstood SO much more than that, AND survived. You want to use early and inexperienced incarnations of Kal, not peak Kal.
Ok, so your sadistic [b]and
stupid....Lucas helped build TCW series you mental midget. It has had high canon status before Disney, and continues to do so now post Disney wipes.
TCW has Lucas's characterisation, because he helped make it, it got his approval, your excuses in this area are truly pathetic right now. [/B]
Provide a definition for a warship. You keep making things up as you go along and foolishly believe the lunacy you post. You need to cite evidence not your own made up definitions.
You apparently didn't see the clip.
False since the hv is comparable to hv whereas a laser is comparable to a laser. 🙂
Lasers hurt him. Khans laser is badass. 1+1=2.
No, you're stupid. I am sadistic. Anything else you need cleared up, dummy ?
Lucas created the live action version but to you its a watered down version. He'd cockslap your traitor ass. You're no Star Wars fan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You did concede and I accepted.
Except you have no case, and I at least provide accurate terminology for the size, and demonstrated purposes of the vessels in question.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Provide a definition for a warship. You keep making things up as you go along and foolishly believe the lunacy you post. You need to cite evidence not your own made up definitions.
Definitions of the word "Ship".
Definitions of the word "Boat".
The security vessels are too small to be defined as a "Ship" for starters.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You apparently didn't see the clip.
You apparently didn't watch the movie. I at least own the movie on Blu Ray.
Originally posted by quanchi112
False since the hv is comparable to hv whereas a laser is comparable to a laser. 🙂Lasers hurt him. Khans laser is badass. 1+1=2.
Khan's weapon is not a laser for starters. You tried to be a smartass with semantics and failed again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you're stupid. I am sadistic. Anything else you need cleared up, dummy ?
So said the man who claimed 'no "c" in semantics' right?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Lucas created the live action version but to you its a watered down version. He'd cockslap your traitor ass. You're no Star Wars fan.
And here we see the epic failure of your Star Wars knowledge combined with your mishandling of terminology combined into a singularity of sucktitude and stupidity so epic, even Q could not undo it. Way to go Quan, you have evolved from "sadistic and stupid", to "f**king idiotic and online terrorist wannabe".
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroOk, so this ship being used for combat purposes fits the definition. We don't see it used for anything other than combat in the clip. Boom. 🙂
Except you have no case, and I at least provide accurate terminology for the size, and demonstrated purposes of the vessels in question.Definitions of the word "Ship".
[url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Boat]Definitions of the word "Boat".
The security vessels are too small to be defined as a "Ship" for starters.
You apparently didn't watch the movie. I at least own the movie on Blu Ray.
Khan's weapon is not a laser for starters. You tried to be a smartass with semantics and failed again.
So said the man who claimed 'no "c" in semantics' right?
And here we see the epic failure of your Star Wars knowledge combined with your mishandling of terminology combined into a singularity of sucktitude and stupidity so epic, even Q could not undo it. Way to go Quan, you have evolved from "sadistic and stupid", to "f**king idiotic and online terrorist wannabe".
I own the blu ray collectors edition with the ship that came with it. I'm a TruNu fan.
His weapon fires lasers. The ship that rocked Superman fires lasers. I'm quite good at this debating game, sport.
iPad error. Cling to the past though. It makes me smile.
Curb your toothless insults. They don't matter. You think Vader is a watered down version but the films. I disagree. I'm a bigger Star Wars fan than you are even prior to the Abrams train.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, so this ship being used for combat purposes fits the definition. We don't see it used for anything other than combat in the clip. Boom. 🙂
Except it doesn't fit the definition of the word "Ship" you living clusterf**k. it's too small, and no, we never see it do anything but disgorge troopers. By your piss-poor logic, an unarmed huey helicopter is a warship...
Originally posted by quanchi112
I own the blu ray collectors edition with the ship that came with it. I'm a TruNu fan.His weapon fires lasers. The ship that rocked Superman fires lasers. I'm quite good at this debating game, sport.
Well then mr.NuTrek Fan Man, tell me, do you know what a Phaser is?
Originally posted by quanchi112
iPad error. Cling to the past though. It makes me smile.
You said it, not me, and you didn't bother checking before sending that piece of comedy gold proving you are both stupid, sadistic, and lazy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Curb your toothless insults. They don't matter. You think Vader is a watered down version but the films. I disagree. I'm a bigger Star Wars fan than you are even prior to the Abrams train.
I said incomplete, you said watered down.
And no, you are no, because you don't like anything outside of the movies, you don't even know them, you are a failure, and your knowledge of the subject matter on both franchises are full of holes. hell, I'd be surprised if you know what the Borg were, or what a Mandalorian is.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroIt is a ship used for combat so it does fit the definition. Don't let words confuse you, padawan.
Except it doesn't fit the definition of the word "Ship" you living clusterf**k. it's too small, and no, we never see it do anything but disgorge troopers. By your piss-poor logic, an unarmed huey helicopter is a warship...Well then mr.NuTrek Fan Man, tell me, do you know what a Phaser is?
You said it, not me, and you dodn't bother checking before sending that piece of comedy gold proving you are both stupid, sadistic, and lazy.
I said incomplete, you said watered down.
And no, you are no, because you don't like anything outside of the movies, you don't even know them, you are a failure, and your knowledge of the subject matter on both franchises are full of holes. hell, I'd be surprised if you know what the Borg were, or what a Mandalorian is.
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Über cannon, sport. That isn't a phaser, kiddo.
No, you said watered down. You're a simple liar. Scroll up, Forest Gump.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroYou won't dare face the complete character instead of a watered down carbon copy of Vader? Who cares about your paper mache clone?
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
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