Originally posted by abhilegend
Against a team? Post those already.
Against beings more powerful than that team. Don't act like he doesn't when it's obvious that Thor's "average" against trans to skyfather tiered beings is exceptionally well. Guy regularly is able to put a hurting on a guy who is consistently shown to be Odin's equal and can be anywhere from galaxy threatening to universal in threat scale.
Originally posted by JakeTheBanknow when you say guy You mean guy garder right? Guy Garder Could beat thor.
Against beings more powerful than that team. Don't act like he doesn't when it's obvious that Thor's "average" against trans to skyfather tiered beings is exceptionally well. Guy regularly is able to put a hurting on a guy who is consistently shown to be Odin's equal and can be anywhere from galaxy threatening to universal in threat scale.
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
now when you say guy You mean guy garder right? Guy Garder Could beat thor.
It was in reference to Surtur, obviously.
Point is, Thor very obviously has feats better than Doomsday did, let alone when he's out for the kill and is no longer holding back. Acting like Doomsday trashing the League (who individually have better feats and showings than that fight as well) makes him > Thor is dubious at best.
Obviously, Doomsday was still formidable and powerful, but Thor clearly has the feats to beat Doomsday (anyone who thinks he can't beat him is deluded, tbh) with some effort.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Against beings more powerful than that team. Don't act like he doesn't when it's obvious that Thor's "average" against trans to skyfather tiered beings is exceptionally well. Guy regularly is able to put a hurting on a guy who is consistently shown to be Odin's equal and can be anywhere from galaxy threatening to universal in threat scale.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So was superman even in those days. Didn't help him a bit. Match team showings to team showings. Would thor be able to knock out say Kurse with these showings, I ask you?
Why should I match team showings to team showings when Thor clearly has feats better than the one you're trying to use as the benchmark for why Doomsday > Thor? It's not like I'm saying Thor easily WTF stomps him, either. But it's obvious (or should be) that Thor has feats suggesting he'd triumph over Doomsday.
Depends on the Kurse, tbh. Kurse pseudo-invincibility to everything sans iron would make it tough and Kurse does have that showing where it took Mjolnir and Stormbreaker's energies combined to stop him. But again, Thor has intense WTF feats.
In any case, overall status/power level in addition to actual power sets have to be taken into account. And Thor, on paper and in execution alike, has the means to take down Doomsday.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why should I match team showings to team showings when Thor clearly has feats better than the one you're trying to use as the benchmark for why Doomsday > Thor? It's not like I'm saying Thor easily WTF stomps him, either. But it's obvious (or should be) that Thor has feats suggesting he'd triumph over Doomsday.Depends on the Kurse, tbh. Kurse pseudo-invincibility to everything sans iron would make it tough and Kurse does have that showing where it took Mjolnir and Stormbreaker's energies combined to stop him. But again, Thor has intense WTF feats.
In any case, overall status/power level in addition to actual power sets have to be taken into account. And Thor, on paper and in execution alike, has the means to take down Doomsday.
Exactly. Relative showings matter. Kurse hasn't hurt skyfather level beings or battled abstracts or shit, yet his relative showings against Thor makes him beyond Thor. Thor isn't beyond people like Guy Gardner, Martian Manhunter let alone Superman. Anybody capable of beating them together would trash Thor. You are of mind that Doomsday beating them is some kind of low showing for them which it isn't.
Not on average though. CBR Thor maybe. Whenever Thor faced a guy like Doomsday, its a beating for thor. Take pagan for example.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has better showings than Thor against skyfather/trans level beings. You talk about hurting skyfathers? I talk about oneshotting Death/5-D imps. That doesn't mean I would give him a single win against H/P Doomsday and neither should you give a single win for Thor.Exactly. Relative showings matter. Kurse hasn't hurt skyfather level beings or battled abstracts or shit, yet his relative showings against Thor makes him beyond Thor. Thor isn't beyond people like Guy Gardner, Martian Manhunter let alone Superman. Anybody capable of beating them together would trash Thor. You are of mind that Doomsday beating them is some kind of low showing for them which it isn't.
Not on average though. CBR Thor maybe. Whenever Thor faced a guy like Doomsday, its a beating for thor. Take pagan for example.
Those feats have context (if not PIS) as well. H/P Doomsday isn't DoS Doomsday and I'd give an all out no holding back Superman post Hunter Prey and right before Flashpoint the edge over Doomsday, anyway.
Thor's beyond Guy and J'onn, get real. And as much as you loath to admit it, he's in Superman's tier as an elite high herald/powerhouse. Thor, once he stopped holding back, would be able to match Doomsday and eventually put him down. Especially considering he doesn't have to bust open his hands to do so and his energy projection is beyond Superman's on the average.
Thor's "average" is enough to fight DoS Doomsday and put up a great fight, if not beat him before the end. Pagan, seriously? Thor's average showings against Surtur beg to differ. Unless you think Doomsday > Surtur. I don't have to forum mode debate Thor or use selective/warped scans to justify him besting Doomsday here.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Those feats have context (if not PIS) as well. H/P Doomsday isn't DoS Doomsday and I'd give an all out no holding back Superman post Hunter Prey and right before Flashpoint the edge over Doomsday, anyway.Thor's beyond Guy and J'onn, get real. And as much as you loath to admit it, he's in Superman's tier as an elite high herald/powerhouse. Thor, once he stopped holding back, would be able to match Doomsday and eventually put him down. Especially considering he doesn't have to bust open his hands to do so and his energy projection is beyond Superman's on the average.
Thor's "average" is enough to fight DoS Doomsday and put up a great fight, if not beat him before the end. Pagan, seriously? Thor's average showings against Surtur beg to differ. Unless you think Doomsday > Surtur. I don't have to forum mode debate Thor or use selective/warped scans to justify him besting Doomsday here.
He isn't far beyond those two. J'oon+Maxima>Thor or J'onn+Guy>Thor. I never denied that thor isn't in superman class of power. Thor wouldn't be able to match doomsday in strength like superman did as he is vastly weaker. His energy projection isn't above HV, Martian vision, Qwadrian ring, booster and Fire's blast combined though which doomsday took without missing a beat.
Thor on average wouldn't be able to fight Doomsday physically. Superman's showings against skyfathers would beg to differ too if Doomsday hadn't beat him to death and superman wasn't hurting his hands punching doomsday. Unless you think Thor>JLA, he is going down against any version of Doomsday.
And tbh, the entity that killed Thor, the Destroyer, is > DoS Doomsday. Even when it was initially introduced, decades before it finally killed him, the Destroyer was always shown to be incredibly deadly, capable of killing Thor if given the chance. Doomsday, while he did kill Superman, did so at the cost of his own life and after an arduous battle that wasn't one sided to begin with.
I'd give Thor better odds over Doomsday than I would give Superman over the Destroyer.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Doomsday destroyed average superman alongside whole JLA. All out superman is a different beast though.
So is Thor. All out Thor is the one that starts busting planets on accident from the after effects of his shots. A lot more than the city shakers Superman let loose on Doomsday.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I talk about oneshotting Death/5-D imps.
Scans? More myths need to be busted.
This is like saying Thor can one shot God and post scans of Masteron temporarily dropping Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. Or saying Thor is too powerful for Death and show his soul being too much for Mephisto.
I'm serious about this feat police for Abhil.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And tbh, the entity that killed Thor, the Destroyer, is > DoS Doomsday. Even when it was initially introduced, decades before it finally killed him, the Destroyer was always shown to be incredibly deadly, capable of killing Thor if given the chance. Doomsday, while he did kill Superman, did so at the cost of his own life and after an arduous battle that wasn't one sided to begin with.I'd give Thor better odds over Doomsday than I would give Superman over the Destroyer.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What? Thor hurting skyfathers is fine and dandy but superman doing it is PIS? Lawlz? DOS Doomsday is a beast in its own right. I wouldn't give superman odds over doomsday.He isn't far beyond those two. J'oon+Maxima>Thor or J'onn+Guy>Thor. I never denied that thor isn't in superman class of power. Thor wouldn't be able to match doomsday in strength like superman did as he is vastly weaker. His energy projection isn't above HV, Martian vision, Qwadrian ring, booster and Fire's blast combined though which doomsday took without missing a beat.
Thor on average wouldn't be able to fight Doomsday physically. Superman's showings against skyfathers would beg to differ too if Doomsday hadn't beat him to death and superman wasn't hurting his hands punching doomsday. Unless you think Thor>JLA, he is going down against any version of Doomsday.
Yeah, I think Superman hurting skyfathers is legit. Him "one shotting Death/5D imps", not so much assuming there's no context involved and he did this under his own power. So, yeah, don't get your undies in a bunch there, kiddo. Considering Superman's developed in feats/experience in addition to getting over his fear of Doomsday to begin with (the major point behind H/P...as Superman was the "prey" to Doomsday's "hunter"😉, I totally believe a fully competent and all out Superman would beat Doomsday at his best.
His high end/"no holding back" feats are beyond them. Thor isn't "vastly" weaker than Superman. And it's a good thing Thor has way more to fall back on outside of sheer strength and punches as well, too, isn't it? Considering the beings whom he's hurt or crippled with, his energy projection is certainly enough to hurt Doomsday in the least.
Yes, he would be able to engage Doomsday, don't be silly. Unless you think Superman > Superman + JLA (wut), there's no reason to assume that given Thor's feats and taking them into account (not just Doomsday's) can't fight Doomsday and doesn't have the means to beat him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Who talked about destroyer? Durok killed Thor if not for intervention from surfer in less time than Doomsday killed superman.
And the Destroyer is routinely shown to be > Durok. There's also the fact that Thor when he stopped holding back actually has feats of him demolishing him sans Mjolnir. Thor has no such feat or fight of him ending the Destroyer without amps or plot device.