Thor/Superman vs.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Beings Odin has tangled with and defeated, are all above the Destroyer (whom Odin made btw), Thanos, Surfer etc... Odin is above and beyond King Thor on every conceivable category except possibly raw strength.

Surtur, Seth, etc. are not that much greater than Destroyer in durability.

Odin is not above King Thor in blast power.
What feats by Odin compares to casually disintegrating Cap's shield or warping AND destroying adamantium WITH BLASTS?

Also you are arguing against the suspension of disbelief. Thor was supposed to have Odin's power plus his own (that means equal or greater power output).

You might as well say Savage Hulk is greater than WWH.

Do you think that? If so why?

Stops at Odin.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Stops at Odin.

Originally posted by h1a8
Remember this character is operating at their best ever shown (quantifiable levels though).

Remember this character is not fighting with the mindset of neither Superman or Thor. But is able to do any tactic at any time (intangibility, Godblast, absorbing someones' shielding or energy blasts, making Mjolnir go remote control, bfr, etc).

Thor's highest levels stacked with Superman highest levels ever shown.

This character fights with cheap tactics (will do any tactic it is capable of at any optimal given time) and is willing to kill

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor's highest levels stacked with Superman highest levels ever shown.

This character fights with cheap tactics (will do any tactic it is capable of at any optimal given time) and is willing to kill

I am aware.

Still, Odin at his on panel best is too much for Thor and Superman combined.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I am aware.

Still, Odin at his on panel best is too much for Thor and Superman combined.

Why is that?
Couldn't this being just rock the shit out of Odin physically?

Plus this being would be vastly more durable and stronger than Mangog

Plus this being can defend against anything Odin can do.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why is that?
Couldn't this being just rock the shit out of Odin physically?

Plus this being would be vastly more durable and stronger than Mangog

Plus this being can defend against anything Odin can do.

He could phase him, sure, but he wouldn't beat the crap out of him.

Erm, no, not really.

He could attempt a defense against Odin, sure.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He could phase him, sure, but he wouldn't beat the crap out of him.

Erm, no, not really.

He could attempt a defense against Odin, sure.

Let's discuss 2 and 3

You are using a no limits fallacy for Mangog. If we take the highest thing Mangog has tanked then the combination of Superman and Thor's highest durability feats stacked is superior. Plus a billion billion beings is a finite limit. Thus a no limit fallacy is a fallacy.

What is the strongest Mangog was shown to be (a few times stronger than Thor). He didn't do much strength wise. He hit mjolnir back equal to Thor's strength. He lifted bridges and hit Thor without koing him, etc. After fighting Mangog Thor said Mangog was exaggerating a billion billion beings of power.

Thor-El can avoid any blast made by Odin with Mjolnir, using speed to evade, intangibility, shields, etc.

Odin rage stomps, Odin highs are greater than Superman and Thor combine!!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Odin rage stomps, Odin highs are greater than Superman and Thor combine!!

People believe that Mangog can give Odin problems in a straight fight.
Yet these two at their highest shown and stacked is greater than Mangog in everyway.

You are not thinking in terms of how the fight will go.
This being is vastly faster, not subject to CIS, can defend against any Odin attack, has the power to harm Odin, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
People believe that Mangog can give Odin problems in a straight fight.
Yet these two at their highest shown and stacked is greater than Mangog in everyway.

You are not thinking in terms of how the fight will go.
This being is vastly faster, not subject to CIS, can defend against any Odin attack, has the power to harm Odin, etc.

^^ 😆

Guys, just stop feeding the troll. He knows nothing about Odin and therefore cannot be reasoned with.

/thread.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Guys, just stop feeding the troll. He knows nothing about Odin and therefore cannot be reasoned with.

/thread.

You know nothing of Odin nor Mangog.
You know nothing of Superman and Thor's best feats.

Using both Superman's and Thor's best durability feats stacked then they are more durable than Mangog.

Superman's best strength feats alone put him above Mangog in strength. Do you know Mangog's best strength feats?

So we have a being that's greater than Mangog in everyway. Yet Odin still stomps him? Yet Odin can't stomp Mangog in a straight fight.

With that said,
This being clears the gauntlet.
He beat Odin by bashing him. He will eventually fall. Odin can't harm this being because they have speed and reflexes to avoid, Mjolnir to block and absorb, intangibility options, and force field options.

They beat Galactus by again bashing him with Mjolnir. Flying into him at ftl speeds while avoiding or absorbing his attacks.

They beat Arishem by using hyperspace energy against him (as in my OP stipulations).

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Guys, just stop feeding the troll. He knows nothing about Odin and therefore cannot be reasoned with.

/thread.

👆

I agree, I don't that Galactus has any FTL reflex feats so how do we know he can react to such an attack?

Odin can cancel out Thor powers, and order the hammer to drop. Odin beats Thor/Superman into a coma!!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Odin can cancel out Thor powers, and order the hammer to drop. Odin beats Thor/Superman into a coma!!

Originally posted by h1a8

6. Odin (can't change Mjolnir enchantment or stop time)

I don't see any stips towards Thor powers and abilities be taken away by Odin, you only said hammer enchantment and time stopping. Thor and hammer are two different things😉

Odin will still beat that a$$, Odin can amp at will and counter Mjolner with thundstruck and Gungair" Spear of Heaven", Odin is vastly more versatile than Superman/Thor fusion.

Originally posted by the Darkone
I don't see any stips towards Thor powers and abilities be taken away by Odin, you only said hammer enchantment and time stopping. Thor and hammer are two different things😉

Odin will still beat that a$$, Odin can amp at will and counter Mjolner with thundstruck and Gungair" Spear of Heaven", Odin is vastly more versatile than Superman/Thor fusion.

Yes Odin is more versatile but more versatile is a weakness when one doesn't have speed or time to decide or react on what to do. It's better to have a few simple yet effective powers instead of countless many to choose from.

Kurse would be hard imo he beat Thor and Beta Ray Bill.