Shaak Ti still wins imo. Even before her exile she was one of the top Jedi in the Order and was even greater afterwards. See here, she takes on about 20 magnaguards at once and seems to have the upper hand:
I also enjoy her trick with Grievous' cape. Even Palpatine seemed impressed. 😎
While fleeing in a tricky environment. When she got serious she was taking them down in single strikes, multiple ones in quick succession, duel wielding her lightsaber and an electrostaff.
Bullshit. Not only is she a match for him in lightsaber combat but she also has the Saarlac on her side and has a planetary-level Force feat and can block lightsabers with her hands. She severely pressed a far superior opponent than Maul and would kill the Zabrak in a fight.
Originally posted by Nephthys
While fleeing in a tricky environment. When she got serious she was taking them down in single strikes, multiple ones in quick succession, duel wielding her lightsaber and an electrostaff.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bullshit. Not only is she a match for him in lightsaber combat
Originally posted by Nephthys
but she also has the Saarlac on her side
Originally posted by Nephthys
and has a planetary-level Force feat and can block lightsabers with her hands.
Originally posted by Nephthys
She severely pressed a far superior opponent than Maul and would kill the Zabrak in a fight.
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Originally posted by Intrepid37
Prove that the environment hindered her, and prove that she was more ''serious'' in the second fight.
Its a tight environment with dangerous trains to look out for. So she needs to constantly be aware of where the trains up and isn't free to move in any way she wants. We even see her get pressed up to a speeding train at one point.
She's more interested in running away than actually fighting. This is clearly obvious as she is fleeing throughout the fight. Even at the start of the second fight she's running. Its only after she loses her lightsaber that she stands her ground and actually fights them seriously. Coincidentally she then starts whooping their asses.
But no you're right, I'm sure the reason she did so much better in the second fight was just..... steroids? 🙄
Originally posted by Intrepid37
She really isn't. She has no feats nor accolades to honor her as one.
Other than you know, being one of the best swordsmen in the Order????
Originally posted by Intrepid37
This is the only factor that'll give Maul a hard time.
Agreed that it will give him a hard time.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
What? Maul's telekinetic showings eclipses Ti's by a big margin.
As did Starkillers. And Mauls TK also eclipses Kenobi's, yet he still got handled by him.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Marek is a superior duelist to Maul?😆
I said 'opponent' not duelist. And Marek is at least equal to him, yes. His lightsaber skills are 'near perfect', he's stronger than Maul and he defeated Darth Vader after all.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its a tight environment with dangerous trains to look out for. So she needs to constantly be aware of where the trains up and isn't free to move in any way she wants. We even see her get pressed up to a speeding train at one point.
Originally posted by Nephthys
She's more interested in running away than actually fighting.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Other than you know, being one of the best swordsmen in the Order????
Originally posted by Nephthys
As did Starkillers.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And Mauls TK also eclipses Kenobi's, yet he still got handled by him.
Kenobi has never shown to be Maul's superior. The fight in ''Revival'' was [clearly] the result of circumstances and, for the matter, Maul specifically says in ''The Lawless'' that he ''never planned on killing him''.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And Marek is at least equal to him, yes.
Originally posted by Nephthys
His lightsaber skills are 'near perfect',
Originally posted by Nephthys
he's stronger than Maul
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and he defeated Darth Vader after all.
Wait. I'm confused as to how someone thinks Clone Wars Maul stacks up to Force Unleashed Shaak Ti. Especially since Force Unleashed has some of the most powerful and liberal use of the Force and feats in Star Wars media history. It's right up there with the original Clone Wars where Dooku could fly and Windu sent out a pressure wave flattening hundreds of Super Battle Droids with ease.
While on the other hand, Nu-Clone Wars is a lot more grounded. Fights are slower, the Force is a lot less powerful of an entity most of the time with the higher end feats being few and far between. Like Palpatine blasting Maul, or Anakin teaching the Son and Daughter a lesson, etc...
Maul had a decent amount of effort put into that fight against Pre Vizla.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And Mauls TK also eclipses Kenobi's, yet he still got handled by him.
Maul consistently ragdolled Kenobi with TK.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I said 'opponent' not duelist. And Marek is at least equal to him, yes. His lightsaber skills are 'near perfect', he's stronger than Maul and he defeated Darth Vader after all.
If I remember correctly, the novel implied that Marek didn't rival Vader in force power until after he recovered from his near death experience at the hands of Vader. It's been years since I've read the TFU novel, and I don't remember Marek's best force showing up to the point when he fought Shaak Ti, but looking through the comic, his best force feat before fighting Shaak Ti was throwing a tie fighter, which isn't anything beyond what Maul can do.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66If I remember correctly, the novel implied that Marek didn't rival Vader in force power until after he recovered from his near death experience at the hands of Vader. It's been years since I've read the TFU novel, and I don't remember Marek's best force showing up to the point when he fought Shaak Ti, but looking through the comic, his best force feat was throwing a tie fighter, which isn't anything beyond what Maul can do.
Maul can chuck a TIE fighter? A TIE fighter that weighs at least 10-20 tons and 20 feet tall? No one in Clone Wars showed that kind of Force output that I can recall.
Maul moved a ship about the same size in one episode.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Maul consistently ragdolled Kenobi with TK.If I remember correctly, the novel implied that Marek didn't rival Vader in force power until after he recovered from his near death experience at the hands of Vader. It's been years since I've read the TFU novel, and I don't remember Marek's best force showing up to the point when he fought Shaak Ti, but looking through the comic, his best force feat before fighting Shaak Ti was throwing a tie fighter, which isn't anything beyond what Maul can do.
Yes, thats what I said. But at no time does it actually enable him to win. Kenobi seems to be either his equal or straight up superior in terms of overall combat prowess.
Best feat at that point:
'As he walked cautiously forward, feeling the nearness of Kazdan Paratus but uncertain of his exact location, one of the rubbish piles stirred. From it stepped a humanoid machine made from the junked droid parts he had expected to find on his journey.
The braincase of an FX-8 medical droid was bolted onto a body cobbled together from several types of outdated protocol models. Its limbs appeared to come from a mixture of EV and B1 battle droids, tipped with instruments and tools that wouldn't looked out of place in a workshop. Its sole functioning photoreceptor glared a bright, furious yellow. Its lurching gait achieved an appreciable speed before he sliced its head off.
A second patchwork droid emerged from a different rubbish pile, followed by a third. The sound of more droid golems stirring line from elsewhere in the Temple. The apprentice fought them ¨ with practiced ease. He had been dueling PROXY all his life; knew the weaknesses and strengths of droids, even one capable, by a clever use of repulsor technologies and a specially adapted antique training lightsaber, of imitating a Jedi. Ones such as these, with barely a matching part among them, were child's play.
Soon the foyer was full of the twitching, smoking bodies of the temple's hapless guardians. He began to tire, not from exertion but from the tedium of knocking down droid after droid, to no apparent end. There might have been thousands of them.
Deactivating his lightsaber, he took a deep breath. With one mighty exhalation of power, he blasted all of them-those in pieces and those approaching with needle-tipped fingers and vibrosaws upraised-out of the foyer doors. Then he blasted the rubbish piles after them. He kept pushing until a dark cloud toured out over Raxus Prime's hideous landscape-an artificial hurricane full of droid golems.
When the foyer was clear, the apprentice straightened. He was no longer pushing with the Force, but the floor beneath him shook nonetheless. A heavy booming sound came from deeper in the Temple, and was getting louder. He had certainly attracted someone's attention now.'
He's also blown open a corvettes hull wide enough for a TIE fighter to fly through and actually powered said battle-cruiser's engines using his lightning, enough for it to move and be powered for dozens of seconds.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
All of this should be applied to the Magnaguard too, then.
So? That wouldn't make it easier to defeat, just draw the fight out as they both have to fight carefully. Plus it is a machine.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
This doesn't mean that she didn't give everything she had.
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Sure, because focusing on running away totally doesn't hinder your ability to fight.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Jinn has the exact same accolade: the same Jinn, whom with the help of his apprentice, was inferior to Maul by a good margin.
And that automatically makes her inferior to him? You said that she has no feats or accolades to indicate that she's a skilled swordsman, I reminded you that you're wrong.
Also recall that this was before she became much more powerful.
And that despite how l33t he is, he still had trouble against a non-Force sensitive in Vizla.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Unlike Maul, I'm not aware of Starkiller using any force powers directly on his opponent (choke, push, wave etc).
Yeah, because Maul uses the Force all the damn time and Starkiller never uses it. 🙄
He attacks her with the Force in their duel, however he needed to direct most of it against the Saarlac.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
lolKenobi has never shown to be Maul's superior. The fight in ''Revival'' was [clearly] the result of circumstances and, for the matter, Maul specifically says in ''The Lawless'' that he ''never planned on killing him''.
Why would he need to kill him to ragdoll him? If he's so much more powerful he should be able to wtf pwn him with the Force, shouldn't he?
And yes it is circumstantial. Maul doesn't have Savage Oppress here to fight with him like he did in that one. Clearly he was soooo disadvantaged though, right? 🙄
Originally posted by Intrepid37
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Seriously, Maul is nowhere near the hot shit you make him out to be. He's Clone Wars Kenobi level.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Nice hyperbole.
Prove that its an exaggeration. Even if it is, hyperbole doesn't equal nothing. Its still an immensely impressive description of his lightsaber sills.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
In what sense?
Well in terms of Force Power (which as of Path of Destruction is a huge part of lightsaber combat) and in terms of physical strength. So, both. 🙂
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Maul was [clearly] superior to Vader when they fought, and this was without knowing the style Vader used, an advantage that favored Starkiller.
Prove that that was actually Maul. And then, as per canon Vader had diminished by the time that comic is set. The Vader Starkiller fought was superior to that version.
Also yeah, he's so damn superior that he lost, amiright? 🙄
Originally posted by Nephthys
Shaak Ti still wins imo. Even before her exile she was one of the top Jedi in the Order and was even greater afterwards. See here, she takes on about 20 magnaguards at once and seems to have the upper hand:
I'd personally say Maul taking on all of Black Sun's top dogs is more impressive. He killed seven of the Galaxy's most deadly assassins in seconds in one scene.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Other than you know, being one of the best swordsmen in the Order????
And Maul was one of the most highly trained Sith Apprentices ever.
Originally posted by Nephthys
As did Starkillers. And Mauls TK also eclipses Kenobi's, yet he still got handled by him.
Did he? Not Maul's best showing but as I remember he was the one standing at the end of it whilst Kenobi was knocked senseless.
Also I don't think Maul's TK "eclipses" Kenobi's. But I do agree it's better than Kenobi's.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And Marek is at least equal to him, yes. His lightsaber skills are 'near perfect', he's stronger than Maul and he defeated Darth Vader after all.
Maul's skills were not "near perfect". They pretty much were perfect looking at all the descriptions to his skills.
And Maul completely mastered Juyo. I don't remember any mention of Galen having "Mastered" Juyo. Just being proficient at it's use.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So? That wouldn't make it easier to defeat, just draw the fight out as they both have to fight carefully. Plus it is a machine.
Originally posted by Nephthys
😬Sure, because focusing on running away totally doesn't hinder your ability to fight.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And that automatically makes her inferior to him? You said that she has no feats or accolades to indicate that she's a skilled swordsman, I reminded you that you're wrong.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Also recall that this was before she became much more powerful.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And that despite how l33t he is, he still had trouble against a non-Force sensitive in Vizla.
It was combat of honor. Vizsla has already lost handily to Kenobi if I recall so.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, because Maul uses the Force all the damn time and Starkiller never uses it. 🙄He attacks her with the Force in their duel, however he needed to direct most of it against the Saarlac.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would he need to kill him to ragdoll him? If he's so much more powerful he should be able to wtf pwn him with the Force, shouldn't he?
Originally posted by Nephthys
And yes it is circumstantial. Maul doesn't have Savage Oppress here to fight with him like he did in that one. Clearly he was soooo disadvantaged though, right? 🙄
Originally posted by Nephthys
Seriously, Maul is nowhere near the hot shit you make him out to be. He's Clone Wars Kenobi level.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Prove that its an exaggeration. Even if it is, hyperbole doesn't equal nothing. Its still an immensely impressive description of his lightsaber sills.
We can work out hyperboles all day, but it's not gonna help your case.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well in terms of Force Power (which as of Path of Destruction is a huge part of lightsaber combat)
Originally posted by Nephthys
and in terms of physical strength. So, both. 🙂
Originally posted by Nephthys
Prove that that was actually Maul.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And then, as per canon Vader had diminished by the time that comic is set. The Vader Starkiller fought was superior to that version.
Maul always gets underestimated just because of one mistake against obi-wan. he was arrogant but he still essentially defeated obi-wan in dueling and killed Qui-gon who is a very good swordsman. also, later when he realized not to be arrogant, he defeated obi-wan on numerous encoutners in CW. shaak ti does not have many feats except escaping from darth vader in the temple which i suppose is somewhat impressive but not enough of a feat to say that she could beat Maul who held his own against the sith lord and whose fighting skills were renowned. maul wins this one maybe 7/10.