Originally posted by abhilegend
No he isn't. Hulk showed how tough he was, didn't he?He can't if she knocks mjolnir away from him and beats the shit out of him at superspeed which would certainly happen.
Yeah, Hulk rocked the shit out of him. How is this suppose to negatively reflect on Loki compared to Faora when Hulk is noticeably stronger then her?
He fought with Thor previously, took an exploding arrow/ship and Hulk double punched him through a wall which he shrugged right off in quick concession. Not to mention he took Bifrost exploding which shits on any durability feat from Faora. Also survived falling into the World Tree.
What super speed? You're acting like they can fight Smallville Clark style, they can't. I don't remember one instance where they traded blows at super speed. It's the same kind of super speed Iron Man can simulate but to a greater degree.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yeah, Hulk rocked the shit out of him. How is this suppose to negatively reflect on Loki compared to Faora when Hulk is noticeably stronger then her?He fought with Thor previously, took an exploding arrow/ship and Hulk double punched him through a wall which he shrugged right off in quick concession. Not to mention he took Bifrost exploding which shits on any durability feat from Faora. Also survived falling into the World Tree.
What super speed? You're acting like they can fight Smallville Clark style, they can't. I don't remember one instance where they traded blows at super speed. It's the same kind of super speed Iron Man can simulate but to a greater degree.
He didn't shrug the beating Thor's beatings who beat the shit out of him while holding back. That arrow and hulk's punch came after he gathered himself and after a big time-interval.
What super-speed? Are you blind or something? Again she doesn't need to fight like Flash to blitz Thor of all people. Iron man did the same thing when he made Thor fall on his face and then punch him before he could react.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
When exactly were BW and Hawkeye blocking laser beams?Jumping out of the way is not the same thing.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the clips where Hawkeye and BW blocked the beams.
Hawkeye and Widow didn't block anything. They dodged, but they didn't block anything. And Cap blocking blasts isn't a big surprise; he's clearly at least low level superhuman and blocking with the shield is rather easy. It's huge, he just has to put it up in the general area the blast is heading toward.
Mjolnir on the other hand is pretty small, and lengthwise it's a couple inches, maybe a foot long on the sides, and only a few inches vertically. Thor has to do a lot more work bringing it into position to block a beam than Cap does. Also you can tell his speed and skill from the way he moves it as he blocks.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, hulk beat the shit out of him. Just compare that to Superman/ Faora fight and you would see who is more durable. Superman was stronger than Hulk. Its not herochat, so proceed cautiously about this conversation.He didn't shrug the beating Thor's beatings who beat the shit out of him while holding back. That arrow and hulk's punch came after he gathered himself and after a big time-interval.
What super-speed? Are you blind or something? Again she doesn't need to fight like Flash to blitz Thor of all people. Iron man did the same thing when he made Thor fall on his face and then punch him before he could react.
I did, Faora did nothing there that Loki would be unable to replicate durability wise. Her best showing in that fight was surviving a missile. Loki survived falling through the World Tree which according to Odin should have scattered him across the entire Universe and the Bifrost exploding which was channeling enough destructive energy to destroy a planet. Loki has better durability feats then Faora with those two.
What does Herochat, a completely different board have to do with this thread? Also, Superman wasn't stronger then Hulk.
Thor never took the advantage until the very end where he got mad and Loki still tanked it. That's not true at all, watch the scene again, Loki takes the arrow and Hulk back to back. A big time interval is a few minutes not a few seconds.
Yes, apparently I am. Reference any super fast punching that Faora demonstrated. She was teleporting around with super speed like Nightcrawler, true, but never did she demonstrate super fast punching.
Originally posted by abhilegend
They were dodging them just fine. Cap was blocking them just fine.
The Chitari were shooting with guns that were possible to anticipate. Even still, Cap has a big shield covering his base. He just has to brace for a shot. Not to mention he is superhuman.
BW and Hawkeye attacking the Chitari first or jumping out of the way means nothing.
Compare that to Thor blocking every single one of the Destroyers eye beam shots. They were randomly coming from his eyes while Thor was busy whipping him up in a tornado.
Those shots would be impossible to anticipate so perfectly and accurately. Clearly Thor was simply reacting to them with superhuman speed and coordination. It's no wonder he was able to evade the Hulk's blows pretty easily.
Re: Thor vs. Faora
Originally posted by FrothByte
I did a quick search and was surprised this wasn't done yet. So here we go.Round 1: Full powers and bloodlusted fight to the death. Both are in full armor and gear. Thor has mjolnir.
Round 2: Both combatants completely depowered (fighting at human strength with human physiology) and wearing only undergarments. No weapons. Bloodlusted fight to the death. Assuming Faora has no weakness to Earth's atmosphere in this round.
Both fights are done in open grasslands.
1. Faora
2. Thor
Originally posted by KingD19
Hawkeye and Widow didn't block anything. They dodged, but they didn't block anything. And Cap blocking blasts isn't a big surprise; he's clearly at least low level superhuman and blocking with the shield is rather easy. It's huge, he just has to put it up in the general area the blast is heading toward.Mjolnir on the other hand is pretty small, and lengthwise it's a couple inches, maybe a foot long on the sides, and only a few inches vertically. Thor has to do a lot more work bringing it into position to block a beam than Cap does. Also you can tell his speed and skill from the way he moves it as he blocks.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I've seen the fight several times, which is why I know that you're lying about Hawkeye and Black Widow blocking the energy beams.You would have been better off admitting that you were wrong, instead of acting like quan.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I did, Faora did nothing there that Loki would be unable to replicate durability wise. Her best showing in that fight was surviving a missile. Loki survived falling through the World Tree which according to Odin should have scattered him across the entire Universe and the Bifrost exploding which was channeling enough destructive energy to destroy a planet. Loki has better durability feats then Faora with those two.What does Herochat, a completely different board have to do with this thread? Also, Superman wasn't stronger then Hulk.
Thor never took the advantage until the very end where he got mad and Loki still tanked it. That's not true at all, watch the scene again, Loki takes the arrow and Hulk back to back. A big time interval is a few minutes not a few seconds.
Yes, apparently I am. Reference any super fast punching that Faora demonstrated. She was teleporting around with super speed like Nightcrawler, true, but never did she demonstrate super fast punching.
Superman's feat of destroying the world engine while weakened shits on anything hulk did. He was certainly stronger than hulk. Herochat was mentioned since they hate superman and love everything hulk related and I was right about you going that route too.
Thor basically beat the shit out of loki in a few wrestling moves after he got angry. I was commenting about Thor's beating. the arrow and hulk punching being one after one. Thor's beating was earlier, Loki got on a ship and was chasing widow for quite some time and then arrow came.
That's enough to blitz thor. Iron man did and Faora's strength coupled with her speed is enough to beat thor.
Go ahead and point out when BW and Hawkeye block the energy beams.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Apparently off panel teleporting is a durability feat now. Loki is smart enough to teleport instead of being scattered throughout the universe.
When did Loki ever have teleporting abilities of that magnitdue? Heck we even saw him fall a good large distance. It was a durability feat. Deal with it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Bifrost was channeling the power to destroy a planet? News to me. When was that ever said?
That was made perfectly clear. Watch the movie.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Apparently you haven't watched it enough. Go see it again snake-eyes.
Point to the scene, or stop trolling:
And this:
Originally posted by DARTH POWERCompare that to Thor blocking every single one of the Destroyers eye beam shots. They were randomly coming from his eyes while Thor was busy whipping him up in a tornado.
Those shots would be impossible to anticipate so perfectly and accurately. Clearly Thor was simply reacting to them with superhuman speed and coordination. It's no wonder he was able to evade the Hulk's blows pretty easily.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Apparently off panel teleporting is a durability feat now. Loki is smart enough to teleport instead of being scattered throughout the universe. Bifrost was channeling the power to destroy a planet? News to me. When was that ever said?Superman's feat of destroying the world engine while weakened shits on anything hulk did. He was certainly stronger than hulk. Herochat was mentioned since they hate superman and love everything hulk related and I was right about you going that route too.
Thor basically beat the shit out of loki in a few wrestling moves after he got angry. I was commenting about Thor's beating. the arrow and hulk punching being one after one. Thor's beating was earlier, Loki got on a ship and was chasing widow for quite some time and then arrow came.
That's enough to blitz thor. Iron man did and Faora's strength coupled with her speed is enough to beat thor.
What? Movie Loki can't even teleport like that, what are you even talking about? There was a reason why everyone thought he had died. Yes, Loki was overloading it and using it to destroy the Frost Giant home world. It was a very big plot point, did you watch the movie?
Why? Especially since he used flight which is an independent power from his strength. Herochat has nothing to do with this debate, do you want to move it to ICT? If not, why even bring it up?
So he beat Loki up, I did say that Loki wasn't as tough as Thor did I not? But his durability is on their level, the feats are there. You cannot deny it.
Not really. Especially since he can use AOE attacks. She can use her speed to the same advantage as Iron Man did, I did say it was a problem but it's not going to win it for her.