Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In all seriousness, Thor was more heroic then Superman imo.
The one thing which bugged Superfans more than anything else is how unsupermanlike this superman was. With the exception of Lois and that random family that Zod tried to fry with hv, he didn't even attempt to protect any other civilians. And then there is the death of Zod as the icing on the cake. At least Loki still remained alive at the end of Avengers.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
True that.The one thing which bugged Superfans more than anything else is how unsupermanlike this superman was. With the exception of Lois and that random family that Zod tried to fry with hv, he didn't even attempt to protect any other civilians. And then there is the death of Zod as the icing on the cake. At least Loki still remained alive at the end of Avengers.
He gave himself up to save humanity.
He allowed himself to be handcuffed.
He allowed himself to be humbled by a punk in a bar.
He saved his Mom from Zod.
He saved lots of soldiers.
He saved everyone by taking down the world engine.
He ultimately did the right thing no matter how difficult it was.
Guys on a boat. Kids in a bus. Etc.
I think he was a perfect Superman.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
True that.The one thing which bugged Superfans more than anything else is how unsupermanlike this superman was. With the exception of Lois and that random family that Zod tried to fry with hv, he didn't even attempt to protect any other civilians. And then there is the death of Zod as the icing on the cake. At least Loki still remained alive at the end of Avengers.
Didn't bother me one bit. I have no idea how people can say Superman was "unsupermanlike" They must have been watching a different movie, either that or they just want to watch cheesy crap where Superman rebuilds the great wall of China with his eyes. People whine and complain way to much. How much more heroic can you get than SAVING THE WORLD? :confused He turned down absolute power and destroyed the last known remaining line of his people for a world that really didn't want much to do with him. HE didn't attempt to save civilians because he was busy protecting them from the OTHER aliens that wanted to DESTROY them. Did you people just not watch this movie? jesus Christ. This is exactly why Superman would choose to be a world conqueror if he were real, because of people like you. HE saves the world and the only thing you have to say is...,Well, you didn't save everyone now did you?
People don't complain when Thor isn't there to save EVERYONE. What about when Thor was fighting the aliens in the Avengers and all those people were being killed while he was fighting? Yeah, he musn't have cared about those people right?
Back on topic though, Thor has no chance here. Superman has the advantage in every way...,Faster, stronger, and has far to many other abilities for Thor contend or defend against. Superman is in a completely different league.
Originally posted by Odekahn
He gave himself up to save humanity.
He allowed himself to be handcuffed.
He allowed himself to be humbled by a punk in a bar.
He saved his Mom from Zod.
He saved lots of soldiers.
He saved everyone by taking down the world engine.
He ultimately did the right thing no matter how difficult it was.
Guys on a boat. Kids in a bus. Etc.I think he was a perfect Superman.
If you're one of those people that believe that superman should be a flawed character who goes around killing his villains, then maybe you would be right. For the average superman fan, that's far from a perfect superman.
Originally posted by Based
Superman didn't get hurt during his fights against Faora or Zod. Thor and the Hulk were bleeding against the Chitauri. Supes stomps.
Thor never bled against the Chitauri. And though I do believe SUperman wins this, it would be a big lie to claim that Zod and Faora didn't hurt Superman.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You mean to say he killed everyone by taking it down? Unless people were being magically evacuated at that moment, it's logical to say that the death toll from the collateral damage numbered in the millions at least.
Yeah, because snapping the neck of the villain is totally what superman stands for.
Lol at the boat and lol at the bus.
What else was he going to do? What else could he do? He didn't have the luxory of time to come up with an alternate solution in either scenario. Even if he did have time it's not like he had any other options. Your reasoning makes no sense at all. You're suggesting that Superman shouldn't have destroyed the world engine because people would die in the process there by making him responsible for the deaths of those people. Do you know how absurd that sounds?
How was else was Superman going to stop Zod. You complain and argue that it was out of Supermans character to kill but he's done it before in the comics and movies. It just wasn't presented in such an intense manner. He obviously didn't do it in cold blood. If you didn't get the impression that he did it only as a last resort then you were watching the movie wrong. He wasn't responsible for the collateral damage that took place during that fight...,he was responsible for stopping the collateral damage that would have taken place had he not killed Zod. HAve you ever watched or read a Superman comic book before?
Do people not remember when Doomsday attacked Superman? Yeah, half of metropolis was destroyed during that fight too. Metropolis ALWAYS gets damaged during battles involving, Superman. It's always been a running theme in the Superman story. It's been the center of debate in the comics several times before.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
What else was he going to do? What else could he do? He didn't have the luxory of time to come up with an alternate solution in either scenario. Even if he did have time it's not like he had any other options. Your reasoning makes no sense at all. You're suggesting that Superman shouldn't have destroyed the world engine because people would die in the process there by making him responsible for the deaths of those people. Do you know how absurd that sounds?How was else was Superman going to stop Zod. You complain and argue that it was out of Supermans character to kill but he's done it before in the comics and movies. It just wasn't presented in such an intense manner. He obviously didn't do it in cold blood. If you didn't get the impression that he did it only as a last resort then you were watching the movie wrong. He wasn't responsible for the collateral damage that took place during that fight...,he was responsible for stopping the collateral damage that would have taken place had he not killed Zod. HAve you ever watched or read a Superman comic book before?
Do people not remember when Doomsday attacked Superman? Yeah, half of metropolis was destroyed during that fight too. Metropolis ALWAYS gets damaged during battles involving, Superman. It's always been a running theme in the Superman story. It's been the center of debate in the comics several times before.
And the same people also don't care that Superman killed Zod in Superman II. I think some people just look for reasons to complain.
Originally posted by Dolos
It was either Zod, or a poor innocent family.You gotta weigh your options.
Plus, Superman snapped neck like a boss. Conan the Barbarian mofo.
Breaking the neck of a super powered being bent on killing the entire population of Earth as a last resort is un-Superman-like.
But crushing the hand of a powerless man to prove your superiority and then dropping him down a seemingly bottomless pit to his death, and then taking a detour to a diner to bully another powerless man to make yourself feel better is very Superman-like 👆
Originally posted by juggerman
Breaking the neck of a super powered being bent on killing the entire population of Earth as a last resort is un-Superman-like.But crushing the hand of a powerless man to prove your superiority and then dropping him down a seemingly bottomless pit to his death, and then taking a detour to a diner to bully another powerless man to make yourself feel better is very Superman-like 👆
Probably because Reeve Superman smiled all the time while doing it and did it in good humor, which is why people think it more supermanly than Cavill's emotionally distraught killing. Guess all you need to do is smile while you kill somebody, and people will think that's heroic.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Probably because Reeve Superman smiled all the time while doing it and did it in good humor, which is why people think it more supermanly than Cavill's emotionally distraught killing. Guess all you need to do is smile while you kill somebody, and people will think that's heroic.
I like this logic. The Joker must be the greatest hero ever to these people
Originally posted by juggermanReeve's Superman wasn't a pussy about it.
Breaking the neck of a super powered being bent on killing the entire population of Earth as a last resort is un-Superman-like.But crushing the hand of a powerless man to prove your superiority and then dropping him down a seemingly bottomless pit to his death, and then taking a detour to a diner to bully another powerless man to make yourself feel better is very Superman-like 👆
Heroic.
Originally posted by MindsetIt was a manly roar. Just like the Hulk after beating the Abomination. Zack also had Owl Man II do that in his Watchmen film when Rorschach was blown up.
Reeve's Superman wasn't a pussy about it.Heroic.
And Reeves Superman was a GIANT PUSSY, look at when he got punched through glass and didn't do anything about it till he got his powers back. He literally couldn't punch anyone until after that point when he hit the big Kryptonian lackey of Zod. He never hit anyone after that. He didn't kill Zod, he pushed him off the thing and in the director's cut Zod lived and was arrested.
That's what makes MOS so much better than all the previous versions, he's the manliest. He would kill for the chance to beat up that dude who poured a drink in his face as a human, or the yet to be priest who pushed him against the fence as a boy.
Originally posted by DolosHe was sobbing like a *****.
It was a manly roar. Just like the Hulk after beating the Abomination. Zack also had Owl Man II do that in his Watchmen film when Rorschach was blown up.And Reeves Superman was a GIANT PUSSY, look at when he got punched through glass and didn't do anything about it till he got his powers back. He literally couldn't punch anyone until after that point when he hit the big Kryptonian lackey of Zod. He never hit anyone after that. He didn't kill Zod, he pushed him off the thing and in the director's cut Zod lived and was arrested.
That's what makes MOS so much better than all the previous versions, he's the manliest. He would kill for the chance to beat up that dude who poured a drink in his face as a human, or the yet to be priest who pushed him against the fence as a boy.
Deal with it.