the scene in one of the earlier comics where he strikes down around 5 Imperial Jedi in what almost seems to be unison had always impressed me.
Four, but yea. He was surrounded and those were the Emperor's personal bodyguards, including the Emperor's cousin. Their plan was to kill Krayt or, baring that, fight their way free, and three of them were dead in the first moment, the cousin right after.
I'll comment that I actually rate both Krayt and Bane over Kun.
But if you look primarily at the combat prowess of their individual members, I believe that the Sith were probably at a relatively high level in comparison to other eras, as were the Jedi.
Compared to a low conflict era, sure, but compared to the top of the Clone Wars and to the post-empire era...? I'd rate the later two higher on the whole.
Also I'm not claiming that A'Sharad Hett sucked or anything but I don't think we have the evidence to claim that he was top ten in that era, I just don't recall him doing anything overly impressive during those times.
Beat Aurra Sing when he was a padawan, smacked Anakin around with a gaffi stick once, and did well in his duel with Obi-wan when Obi-wan was at his absolute best (after RotS but before he degraded). Considering Obi-wan was around 4th of the Jedi, A'Sharad would certainly be top 10.
Would you really say that was enough to make him a prodigy? Aurra Sing was a deadly bounty hunter but as a Force User I don't believe she had been properly trained or was particularly potent, and you'll have to fill me in on the details surrounding their battle
Well, she killed his father, Sharad Hett, referred to as a 'legendary' knight (the Jedi sent Ki Adi Mundi after him to see if he'd gone rogue, stated that Ki Adi Mundi was the only Jedi they had available who was both strong enough to beat Sharad and not a friend of Sharad). Then A'Sharad defeated her in a duel.
You can refer to Krayt as a fast duelist but the truth is Bane has vastly superior speed feats to the point that by comparison, he is not. On paper, as far as what they have both demonstrated, Bane possesses an overwhelming speed advantage.
Here's a question: Do you assume the best of other eras are significantly slower than Bane and other fighters from that era? (I will note how there were multiple saber users who were able to duel with him despite his speed).
Obi-wan has, iirc, some rather good speed feats, and A'Sharad was at least his level.
The issue isn't whether Krayt would be able to detect those shatterpoints in Bane's body, the issue is whether he would be able to do anything about them and whether whatever method he uses to apply pressure on the shatterpoints bypasses the defenses Bane would have put up against any form of physical influence over him.
A Shatterpoint can just be an opening in a guard rather than a physical thing, and as for physical attacks, he can use what's basically contact-force lightning to do so.
I'd also be interested to know if Krayt has truly been shown to fight with such an approach in the comics, and to what effect if so.
Well, he hasn't done the 'aim for a duel strike' thing, but in large part because he was better than anyone he fought. He didn't have to in order to beat Wyyrlok or Cade.
I guess I'd have to know the exact nature of the skill before commenting further; if he simply rises back from the dead a short time after being killed I guess it makes sense that you could consider it but these threads usually act out a sort of arena style battle and if the process involves this long, complicated process that extends far beyond the scope of the arena I would imagine it probably wouldn't count, in a similar way to somebody coming back as a Force Ghost and potentially being able to harm their opponent in that form.
It depends on the amount of damage taken, but Dark Transfer has healed people from having lightsabers stabbed through their torsos in a short time. They're generally in crap shape afterwards, but unless the damage is subtle and extensive it's not a long process.
And in the Cade fight, he both killed and res'ed Cade in no time.
Originally posted by Q99
The illusions definitely do.
The only time I recall Krayt using illusions on anyone was Cade, but he had to overpower cade in a fight before he used it.
As for his fight against Wyyrlok, Wyyrlok was using sith sorcery on Krayt, causing him to relive his past and his greatest fears, which was accomplished because he knew Krayt intimately. Krayt did not overcome Wyyrlok with a counter-illusion attack, he just overcame Wyyrlok's sorcery through his strength of the dark side and willpower.
Originally posted by Q99
The raising from the dead has the purpose that if he goes for a mutual kill strike, he gets back up, his foe doesn't.
I don't get this. When did Krayt do this, and how come he didn't get back up after Cade killed him? Can you name an instant when Krayt used this feat mid-combat?
Originally posted by Q99
I really don't think that's what the feats say, he does a lot in the force that Bane never does, that heck, Palpatine and others wanted to do and never managed
What did Krayt do that Palpatine wanted to do but never managed? Palpatine managed to resurrect himself after having his body completely disintegrated. Krayt's body was never completely destroyed, was it? I'm a bit skeptical on whether Krayt truly died at the hands of Wyyrlok, or if he somehow managed to keep himself alive the same way Maul did after his fatal injuries, which was something Maul achieved through Palpatine's teachings, otherwise why didn't Krayt come back after being stabbed in the chest by Cade?
Originally posted by Q99
Bane, we know is surpassable, he has been surpassed, that was the point of the RoT.
I'm not arguing that Krayt can't beat Bane, but how does the sith who surpassed Bane in the ROT prove that Krayt can beat him? Some of the sith who surpassed Bane can overcome Krayt in combat. Palpatine, for example, would wreck Krayt.
hat did Krayt do that Palpatine wanted to do but never managed? Palpatine managed to resurrect himself after having his body completely disintegrated. Krayt's body was never completely destroyed, was it? I'm a bit skeptical on whether Krayt truly died at the hands of Wyyrlok, or if he somehow managed to keep himself alive the same way Maul did after his fatal injuries, which was something Maul achieved through Palpatine's teachings, otherwise why didn't Krayt come back after being stabbed in the chest by Cade?
Originally posted by Q99
Compared to a low conflict era, sure, but compared to the top of the Clone Wars and to the post-empire era...? I'd rate the later two higher on the whole.
The same reasoning applies with respect to the Clone Wars or really any time that I can think of in the history of the Galaxy. There's a lot more material that explores the Jedi that participated in the Clone Wars but the nature of the conflict that surrounded that era would to me suggest that they didn't produce the greatest combatants, when compared to something like the New Sith Wars.
Beat Aurra Sing when he was a padawan, smacked Anakin around with a gaffi stick once, and did well in his duel with Obi-wan when Obi-wan was at his absolute best (after RotS but before he degraded). Considering Obi-wan was around 4th of the Jedi, A'Sharad would certainly be top 10.
It's hard to know for sure exactly how well he was doing against Obi-Wan, I'll admit that it seemed to be a pretty back and forth engagement with them both landing melee attacks and significant strikes throughout up until Obi-Wan sliced off his arm but the limitations of the medium prevents us from knowing with a great deal of certainty; we can't be sure exactly how long it was, how representative the still images were of the full engagement and the limited view of the engagement prevents anything beyond a simplistic visual analysis of the contest. I don't think it would be out of the question that a number of Jedi could potentially give Obi-Wan a good match either (he's portrayed as being extremely formidable but I wouldn't say that he was quite a game changer in the way that Anakin was or of course Yoda and Mace Windu) and you could argue the nature of his defensive, passive style wouldn't always highlight his superiority over an opponent in a particularly overt way in the way that a style that presses the engagement would.
I do agree that he's certainly displayed to be a capable Jedi, I just don't feel as strongly at labeling him top 10 of his era I guess.
Well, she killed his father, Sharad Hett, referred to as a 'legendary' knight (the Jedi sent Ki Adi Mundi after him to see if he'd gone rogue, stated that Ki Adi Mundi was the only Jedi they had available who was both strong enough to beat Sharad and not a friend of Sharad). Then A'Sharad defeated her in a duel.
Didn't she only engage Sharad after first severely wounding him via some kind of sniper projectile?
Here's a question: Do you assume the best of other eras are significantly slower than Bane and other fighters from that era? (I will note how there were multiple saber users who were able to duel with him despite his speed).
Bane, absolutely. His strength in the force is abnormally high even when compared to other greats of their eras, and he has by far the best documented feats of speed. I'm not saying he'll necessarily be able to blitz somebody like Krayt but I believe that on paper he should possess an extreme speed advantage.
A Shatterpoint can just be an opening in a guard rather than a physical thing,
I know, I was addressing the idea that Krayt would be able to instakill him as long as he gets his hands on him.
and as for physical attacks, he can use what's basically contact-force lightning to do so.
Which Bane should presumably still be in a position to defend against.
Well, he hasn't done the 'aim for a duel strike' thing, but in large part because he was better than anyone he fought. He didn't have to in order to beat Wyyrlok or Cade.
But my point is that ultimately I think there's too little reason to think that something like that could realistically have a significant impact on an engagement between the two of them. Most of Bane's greater feats relate directly to what we would usually expect in a duel between Jedi and Sith and even the stuff like his role in the storm ritual on Ruusan is suggestive of certain defensive or redirective applications of the powers he used and the energy he was handling was truly devastating on a planetary scale.