Originally posted by Blair Wind
I don't know about his reaction speed being enough to counter Superman. Iron Man has the versatility/power to be more effective than the army was, but at his base I don't see how he is going to be able to counter Superman's impressive speed bursts and strength.
This. I don't know that we have the evidence to prove this one way or another definitively, but I feel like it's still Superman's fight to lose.
I would love to see someone explain to me how Ironman wins the majority. What weaponry would be effective? Give me showings that might prove that he will win (the majority). I dont doubt that he can win, just do not see it for the majority. MoS gave us a pretty solid (if not inexperienced) showing of Superman actually being Superman. He wasnt really watered down in terms of his power, just his discipline and experience.
Originally posted by h1a8
Average IM in comics is about 90-100 ton strength. Superman in MOS is probably close to 100 tons. Superman in MOS is faster and very durable. It's a much closer fight than I thought.
Wonderman, back when he was listed at cl 95 was doing things like supporting 50,000 tons...post a feat for MOS Superman that matches that.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Wonderman, back when he was listed at cl 95 was doing things like supporting 50,000 tons...post a feat for MOS Superman that matches that.
I'm not talking about what was listed but average IM showings. I don't see an average IM lifting two abram tanks stacked off the ground.
Superman has the feat of destroying the huge World Maker against the extreme forces and atmosphere changes (he was weaker).
Faora (who is not stronger than Superman) casually threw Superman far away through buildings to hit a solid steel vault (dented it in).
Man of Steel Superman did resist the pull of what was described as a black hole in addition to flying through the gravimetric pulses of the World Engine.
But Comic Book Iron Man has a ridiculous array of feats to draw upon, even from armor models that are horribly inferior to his current stuff. He should win this virtually every time.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Man of Steel Superman did resist the pull of what was described as a black hole in addition to flying through the gravimetric pulses of the World Engine.But Comic Book Iron Man has a ridiculous array of feats to draw upon, even from armor models that are horribly inferior to his current stuff. He should win this virtually every time.
IMO classic IM was more durable than current IM.
Current IM is more realistic in his durability where classic wasn't.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Man of Steel Superman did resist the pull of what was described as a black hole in addition to flying through the gravimetric pulses of the World Engine.
Still, anyone has a gif of that feat?
This thread is dumb.
Iron Man wrecks him, wtf is wrong with people?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Man of Steel Superman did resist the pull of what was described as a black hole in addition to flying through the gravimetric pulses of the World Engine.But Comic Book Iron Man has a ridiculous array of feats to draw upon, even from armor models that are horribly inferior to his current stuff. He should win this virtually every time.
Can't help but cringe at how misused stuff like black holes are in fiction. It was some kind of pseudo wormhole that seemed to have a pull only Kryptonians for some reason with none of the destructive force.
If it was a black hole, Lois wouldn't have been falling away from it, lol. Otherwise we might as well attribute surviving a black hole to movie Loki.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This thread is dumb.Iron Man wrecks him, wtf is wrong with people?
Can't help but cringe at how misused stuff like black holes are in fiction. It was some kind of pseudo wormhole that seemed to have a pull only Kryptonians for some reason with none of the destructive force.
If it was a black hole, Lois wouldn't have been falling away from it, lol. Otherwise we might as well attribute surviving a black hole to movie Loki.
The problem is you are looking at high end IM and not an average one. Everyone here agrees that IM (high end) will beat MOS. So there's nothing wtf wrong with people.
Current IM is less durable than classic IM also.
Also the black hole somehow got stronger as Superman tried to pull away with Lois.
I named the feat that Superman destroyed the huge ass World Engine while going against the teraform beam force and while being weakened as well.
Originally posted by h1a8Do we look at Mos average feats as well or just the high ones ?
The problem is you are looking at high end IM and not an average one. Everyone here agrees that IM (high end) will beat MOS. So there's nothing wtf wrong with people.Current IM is less durable than classic IM also.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Do we look at Mos average feats as well or just the high ones ?
Doesn't matter since MOS didn't get damaged the whole movie and never showed a limit to his strength. IM showed limits to his strength and thus we can average him.
1. High end IM beats MOS
2. Average IM has a good fight with MOS that can go either way.
3. High end MOS against average IM has MOS win.
Originally posted by h1a8
Doesn't matter since MOS didn't get damaged the whole movie and never showed a limit to his strength. IM showed limits to his strength and thus we can average him.1. High end IM beats MOS
2. Average IM has a good fight with MOS that can go either way.
3. High end MOS against average IM has MOS win.
What's an average Iron Man?