Originally posted by Ash_J_Williams
So this is actually WBH vs HP/DD? http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=529165&pagenumber=1If not, HP/DD stomps savage hulk. WBH beats HP/DD imo.
Pretty much this.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What makes you say so ?
Savage Hulk has some monster showings, buts he's got some pretty low showings too.
HP DD was in a single arc. His high showings were fantastic. While Savage Hulk might have a few higher, it's certainly not Hulks average. HP DD was made with virtually no weakness, so he doesn't really have any low showings to lower his average. He's graded above Savage Hulk.
WBH is beyond DD IMO.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What makes you think HP Doomsday beats the savage Hulk ?
Everything about HP/DD makes me think he wrecks savage hulk.
His origin story and the way he dealt with Darkseid + omega beams (avatar or not), amped Superman, the radiant and finally how Waverider/Supes were only able to defeat him via plot device.
Imo. this paints a clear picture of a character with a powerlevel that is well beyond savage hulk's. To be honest I don't even think it's close.
Originally posted by OdekahnHP Doomsday was not beyond physical injury. Hulk and melee fighting go hand in hand. When you throw in dynamic strength and the healing factor it's his fight to lose. Doomsday has never evolved past physical force.
Savage Hulk has some monster showings, buts he's got some pretty low showings too.HP DD was in a single arc. His high showings were fantastic. While Savage Hulk might have a few higher, it's certainly not Hulks average. HP DD was made with virtually no weakness, so he doesn't really have any low showings to lower his average. He's graded above Savage Hulk.
WBH is beyond DD IMO.
Originally posted by Ash_J_WilliamsI also see Hulk destroying Darkseid in close combat. Dd's origin story showed him hesitate against Darkseid. I don't see an angry Hulk hesitating.
Everything about HP/DD makes me think he wrecks savage hulk.
His origin story and the way he dealt with Darkseid + omega beams (avatar or not), amped Superman, the radiant and finally how Waverider/Supes were only able to defeat him via plot device.Imo. this paints a clear picture of a character with a powerlevel that is well beyond savage hulk's. To be honest I don't even think it's close.
That Superman was afraid and they wanted to stop the process not just a single death.
I see physical force bringing him down like it always can. I just don't think it permanently kills or stops Doomsday. This is a versus thread so one match is all Hulk needs.
Originally posted by Ash_J_WilliamsPhysical force hurt him but they purposefully did not use physical force or any other means as the cycle would continue.
When was HP/DD defeated by pure physical force?What tier would you place savage hulk in? I'm asking since I'm not sure if we disagree bacause you rank savage higher than I do or HP/DD lower.
Hulk beats Doomsday. Fight favors him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Physical force hurt him but they purposefully did not use physical force or any other means as the cycle would continue.Hulk beats Doomsday. Fight favors him.
Superman tried to get physical for a moment, and Doomsday snapped his arm like a twig, just as easily as he took down Darkseid. The same would happen to the Hulk.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman doesn't have the healing factor or dynamic strength. Superman was also scared of him.
Superman's durability is far greater than the Hulk's. The Hulk makes up for it with a healing factor, but there's no reason to believe it's greater than Doomsday's even. On top of Doomsday's HF, he evolves on the fly (e.g. sealing his ears when Superman used sonics, going Scorpion on Superman when he tried to keep his distance). I'm not applying a no-limits fallacy on Doomsday, but he was way beyond an amped Superman, beyond Waverider, and beyond 90's Darkseid. He's beyond the Hulk too, except for perhaps WBH.
Originally posted by CogitoHe evolves to certain attacks not physical force. Hulk has a healing factor that puts Supermans to shame.
Superman's durability is far greater than the Hulk's. The Hulk makes up for it with a healing factor, but there's no reason to believe it's greater than Doomsday's even. On top of Doomsday's HF, he evolves on the fly (e.g. sealing his ears when Superman used sonics, going Scorpion on Superman when he tried to keep his distance). I'm not applying a no-limits fallacy on Doomsday, but he was way beyond an amped Superman, beyond Waverider, and beyond 90's Darkseid. He's beyond the Hulk too, except for perhaps WBH.
He's beyond a scared Superman. Hulk is another matter. Hulk wins.