Barsen'thor vs Darth Nox

I've got your stack right here.

I stand by Darth Nox on this.

I might be inclined to agree, only because I think Nox has a lightsaber edge. But the Barsen'thor seems like the more skillful combatant all around....

Plus she's much smarter than Nox.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But the Barsen'thor seems like the more skillful combatant all around....

Plus she's much smarter than Nox.

How so on both points?

The Barsen'thor is said to 'embody true skill' and theres the fact that she was so impressive in her battle against Nalen Raloch that Qyzen becomes convinced shes his deities herald and even Satele is extremely impressed. And of course theres beating Vivicar, which indicates great skill imo.

Nox isn't particularly bright. Which is odd since Bioware advertised the Inquisitor class as a Sidious-esque mastermind when Nox is almost a thug who ascends just through sheer power and rarely has any initiative or ideas of her own. The Consular in comparison is extremely wise, knowledgeable and intelligent, with many characters admiring her mind.

Nox is skilled enough (combat wise, which is what this is all about) to defeat Paladius in saber combat far before her prime, and having lost her force connection to an extreme extent.

One does not bring down Thanaton's power base and become a master of the dark side without a great deal of cunning.

Yeah, I agree Nox is likely the better swordsman. I just think the Barsen'thor is more skillful in general. She has much more training than Nox does and is a genius prodigy in general. Also the Barsen'thor is weakened throughout Act 1 so I'm generally more impressed with her still running around and taking names while debilitated.

Lol. Well, I actually did bring down his power base and become a darkside master and I sure didn't do it through cunning. Nox is just told what to do by her ancestral Sith ghost grandaddy, Zash and others. Her contribution is usually purely in killing stuff. One particularly dumb moment is when she totally trusts Thanaton and wonders into the tomb of an angry Sith spirit on his orders.... when shes already done that before and gotten pwned for it. Kallig even lampshades how spectacularly dumb this was.

I suppose I can say that the Barsen'thor was wiser/smarter. How would that compensate for Nox's superior lightsaber skill? In terms of tactical competency, both are probably around the same level.

Barsen'thor imo.

I think they're even. Maybe Barsen'thor is a little bit higher in my power rankings.
His accolades are extremely impressive, and so are his feats. If we compare their feats and accolades toe-to-toe, the Barsen'thor comes out on top, I think.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I suppose I can say that the Barsen'thor was wiser/smarter. How would that compensate for Nox's superior lightsaber skill? In terms of tactical competency, both are probably around the same level.

I didn't say she does compensate for it. Quite the opposite in fact. Though I do think she has superior tactical ability than Nox.

I'm not sure if lightsabers would matter much tbh. Both are heavily Force-based.

I see them as about equal. Maaaybe Nox edges it.

Bump x 2 combo!

For the record, I'm probably going with Nox now, after Supreme found that quote about lightsaber skill. Still very close.

This is the situation:-

Darth Nox:

- Overwhelming raw power (Unnatural)*
- Absolute master of the Force
- Great martial skills

Bersen'thor

- Great raw power (Natural)
- Absolute master of the Force
- Decent martial skills
- Brilliant tactician

*Like a potent Strike Team packed into one being. Also, it is not even clear what works on him to bring him down. He is like a bulldozer.

Good point on how dumb Nox could be. That storyline, while pretty good compared to some junk we're forcefed, could have used some more cunning added to it.

Also, Nox with prep wins, since he has access to all the knowledge of the Dark Council by virtue of memorizing the Dewey decimal system and being their librarian/reference desk representative.

I'm assuming Barsen'thor is a Jedi Shadow and Darth Nox in Sith Sorcerer.

In which case, Nox wins.

After rereading Nox's respect thread, I think Nox has the edge.

Originally posted by Taay'hai
I'm assuming Barsen'thor is a Jedi Shadow and Darth Nox in Sith Sorcerer.

In which case, Nox wins.

The Barsen'thor is very obviously a Sage and Nox is very obviously a Sorcerer imo. Thor uses powerful telekinesis and healing powers in cutscenes, never invisibility or stealth and in Makeb she's seen having visions of the future, which is about as Sage-like as it gets.

That's true enough, but what makes you think Nox is a Sorc? I haven't finished playing the Sith Inq storyline, but as far as I've seen, there hasn't been one cut-scene which indicates he's a Sorc and not an Ass. In fact, given that it's said he's very proficient with a lightsaber, I'd say he's an Ass.

Pun intended.

Pretty much the same reason. He uses lightning, tk and sorcery in cutscenes instead of assassin abilities like invisibility. He performs force rituals, drain life force from people etc. When you look at the final fight with

Spoiler:
Thanaton,

Also in both cases the characters get special single-bladed lightsabers in the story and in cutscenes they prefer to wield lightsabers like they're singles. I think I've actually had my Consular pull a single-bladed lightsaber out of her ass for one cutscene, while her double was still on her hip.

(this is true for all classes btw. They'll always only use one weapon in cutscenes instead of dual wielding)

Good points.