Zoom Vs Surfer

Started by -Pr-12 pages
-Pr- Hey Yo!

There's more than one Zoom, people.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
Professor Zoom sonned Barry, Wally, Bart, Max, Jesse, & Jay at the same time.

He slapped around Superman, Hal, and Booster at the same time.

He showed the ability to increase his power via stealing time from another person's timeline.

He showed the ability to erase someone from existence via unraveling their timeline.

Surfer does not win.


He didn't slap superman around though.

😛

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

He blitzed Booster, Superman, Hal, and Rip, created a cyclone, and then left when he was tired "playing games with them":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16119030/Time_Masters_-_Vanishing_Point_6_006.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16119034/Time_Masters_-_Vanishing_Point_6_007.jpg.html

Sh3nG L0nG Armor King's puppeteer

I didn't clarify prof zoom because I figured the scan was enough. My bad, this is prof zoom in this thread.

mighty adam Senior Member

Split zoom can punch Ss into oblivion but Ss can turn the surface of the planet into glue. Both guys would leave supes and hulk lumpy tho.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
He blitzed Booster, Superman, Hal, and Rip, created a cyclone, and then left when he was tired "playing games with them":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16119030/Time_Masters_-_Vanishing_Point_6_006.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16119034/Time_Masters_-_Vanishing_Point_6_007.jpg.html

Of course you left this

Zoom explicitly stated that Superman rivaled him in reflexes. He also negated that tornado by flying at exactly the same speed as Zoom in the opposite direction in your second scan. That's not a knock on zoom though and neither does it makes Surfer able to hit Zoom. Superman is just that fast.

Sixth_Winged Senior Member

If Zoom can prevent SS from getting sufficient leverage (and i mean high up in the air airborne), he wins..

If not, then as good as his powers are against those who fight him in his own terms, he is not so godly to avoid omnidirectional blasts that will blanket the planet.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course you left this

Zoom explicitly stated that Superman rivaled him in reflexes. That's not a knock on zoom though and neither does it makes Surfer able to hit Zoom. Superman is just that fast.

That was from issue 5. Zoom stated that Superman's speed "rivaled"(ie. was close to) his own.

In issue 6, Zoom went on to blitz Booster, Supes, Hal, and Rip. How do I know Zoom blitzed Superman? Because he hit him several times in the space of a single panel:

So yeah, Superman managing to clothes-line Zoom really doesn't mean anything at all, given that Zoom BLITZED him in the subsequent issue. In short: Zoom is faster than Superman. Simple.

Don't make this more than it is. If you continue to argue this fact, I'll get a mod ruling and be done with it. 🙂

mighty adam Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course you left this

Zoom explicitly stated that Superman rivaled him in reflexes. That's not a knock on zoom though and neither does it makes Surfer able to hit Zoom. Superman is just that fast.

zoom still have a edge on supes. The ass beating won't be as bad as if he faced a marvel brick. They wouldn't even probably land a hit.

Naija boy Senior Member

Surfer wins

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer wins

I'll be Quan for a bit..

Based on?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
That was from issue 5. Zoom stated that Superman's speed "rivaled"(ie. was close to) his own.

In issue 6, Zoom went on to blitz Booster, Supes, Hal, and Rip. How do I know Zoom blitzed Superman? Because he hit him several times in the space of a single panel:

So yeah, Superman managing to clothes-line Zoom really doesn't mean anything at all, given that Zoom BLITZED him in the subsequent issue. In short: Zoom is faster than Superman. Simple.

Don't make this more than it is. If you continue to argue this fact, I'll get a mod ruling and be done with it. 🙂


Of course Zoom is faster than superman. I was just saying that he never slapped superman around which is true. Superman also negated Zoom's tornado with equal but opposite speed if you didn't notice it on the next page. You accepted that Superman was close to Zoom in speed and that's it.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course Zoom is faster than superman.
Cool, then why the heck are you arguing?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I was just saying that he never slapped superman around which is true.
As I pointed out in the above scan: Zoom BLITZED Superman in the space of a single panel. So yes, he did slap him around.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman also negated Zoom's tornado with equal but opposite speed if you didn't notice it on the next page.
Given that I posted the scan depicting this a few posts above, it's safe to say that I did notice it. Good thing the cyclones Zoom generates don't possess the sum-total of his speed, otherwise you might have a point. 😉

Originally posted by abhilegend
You accepted that Superman was close to Zoom in speed and that's it.
I merely reiterated what Zoom said in issue 5. However, given that Zoom BLITZED Superman in issue 6, AND tooled the entire phucking Flash lineage during Rebirth, I think it's safe to say that Superman is not that close to him in the speed department.

After all, we saw how Superman's speed compares to Barry's:

Yet Zoom sonned Barry like it was his phucking job(do I really need to post those scans..?)

carver9 Senior Member

Good to see you back Galan...you're rarely if ever on and when you're on, you hang around in the anime thread.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
Cool, then why the heck are you arguing?
Zoom slapping superman around.

As I pointed out in the above scan: Zoom BLITZED Superman in the space of a single panel. So yes, he did slap him around.
Most of those aren't even landing on superman and could be the after images. Superman wasn't even bothered by them, let alone be slapped around in that scan.

Given that I posted the scan depicting this a few posts above, it's safe to say that I did notice it. Good thing the cyclones Zoom generates don't possess the sum-total of his speed, otherwise you might have a point. 😉
Of course not. It still gives an idea of superman being near Zoom in speed.

I merely reiterated what Zoom said in issue 5. However, given that Zoom BLITZED Superman in issue 6, AND tooled the entire phucking Flash lineage during Rebirth, I think it's safe to say that Superman is not that close to him in the speed department.
Despite superman "rivaling" Zoom in reflexes by his own account?

After all, we saw how Superman's speed compares to Barry's:
He entered speed force in the next panel. Barry going at max speed would leave superman in dust, I agree. When he doesn't though, superman races and catches him and then match his reflexes.

You might say barry let him do that but that doesn't mean he is that outclassed in speed against a normal Flash who isn't going to join speed force. Don't worry, he's caught Wally racing him too without wally holding back. Johns loves to lowball superman against any of his favorite character, so it isn't surprising how he had that "Charity" line in rebirth.

Yet Zoom sonned Barry like it was his phucking job(do I really need to post those scans..?)
No need to. I'm not disputing Zoom's superiority in speed. I'm just disagreeing that Zoom "slapped superman around". For all of their hype, none of the Zooms have been more than an annoyance to superman. Heck bizzaro nearly stalemated Zoloman in a foot race. Superman isn't that outclassed against Flashes in speed.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Guys, don't turn this in to a Superman thread. He got smacked, but he still showed insanely fast reflexes. So he wins some, he loses some. He isn't as fast as Zoom, I'm sure we can all agree.

Please move on.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by abhilegend
No need to. I'm not disputing Zoom's superiority in speed.
Cool.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm just disagreeing that Zoom "slapped superman around".
I'm not saying that Zoom dealt Superman and lasting damage, but he did slap him around(as evident by the single-panel-blitz.) That's all.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He got smacked, but he still showed insanely fast reflexes. So he wins some, he loses some. He isn't as fast as Zoom, I'm sure we can all agree.
Fair enough. 👆

carver9 Senior Member

Flash was mind controlled during that scene, wouldn't consider that usable BUT, it is an amazing showing for Superman.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|
Originally posted by carver9
Flash was mind controlled during that scene, wouldn't consider that usable BUT, it is an amazing showing for Superman.
That was the same comic where Flash commented that he can perceive events on an attosecond-by-attosecond basis:

For context, an attosecond is to a second what a second is to about 31.71 billion years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attosecond

Phucking amazing. What's even more amazing is that Zoom tooled him as though he was laughably slow 😛

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, don't turn this in to a Superman thread. He got smacked, but he still showed insanely fast reflexes. So he wins some, he loses some. He isn't as fast as Zoom, I'm sure we can all agree.

Please move on.

Originally posted by Galan007
Cool.

I'm not saying that Zoom dealt Superman and lasting damage, but he did slap him around(as evident by the single-panel-blitz.) That's all.

Fair enough. 👆


I would just agree to disagree.
Originally posted by carver9
Flash was mind controlled during that scene, wouldn't consider that usable BUT, it is an amazing showing for Superman.

Mind control doesn't mean he was holding himself back.