Palpatine vs. Vader

I don't want this to be a flame/fanboy war. I'm just actually curious. For a long time, I believed Darth Vader to be the most powerful force-user in the whole SW galaxy, but recently I've been reading things that say Palpatine is more powerful. I just want some hard proof that one is more powerful than the other. And if Palps is more powerful than Vader, is he more powerful than Anakin too?

And by Anakin, of course I mean Zone Anakin

You really think Vader would be subservient for so long to someone he was superior to?

Vader's crippling injuries prevented him from being stronger than Palpatine.

If Vader was stronger, He wouldn't be the apprentice. I am tempted to call this spite.

Vader's powerful, but Sidious moreso.

Yeah but just because Vader had more power, perhaps Palpatine just manipulated him into thinking he was less than he actually was

I kind of feel that Vader is more powerful. I agree with Dcora. He only submitted to Palpatine's will because he was the only one who could save Padmè. And the only weakness he had against Sidious was his mechanical issues that would shut him down, should Palpatine have lightning-whored. Had he survived Obi-Wan, he would've killed Palpatine like in the RotS game's alternate ending where he stabs him and claims the Empire.

Seems legit.

"So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he's maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor. So that isn't what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan."

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