Originally posted by SevenShackles
Hey Pr would you say colossus gives Aquaman a good fight or is this not enough to make Aquaman stress?
He'd do all right. with Aquaman being a herald now (I believe he was before, but there's so much proof now), I don't see Colossus beating him, even if people tend to overstate how powerful Ultimate Colossus was.
At least, imo.
Anyone saying that Colossus would win easily/stomp, is woefully ignorant of Aquaman, imo. That, or has an insanely inflated opinion of Colossus.
Plus, dat trident.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You don't know Aquaman's feats, so don't pretend you're talking about anything based on feats, mister "stabbing Darkseid was fan art".lol @ magnetism suddenly being the same as durability.
Don't know why you are saying this but what fts of Aquaman are you using that makes you think he can beat this version of Colossus.? Colossus was destroying Ultimate Thor (who is at the minimum a low Herald) and Ironman at the same time. Being or beating a Herald isn't outside of Colossus power.
Originally posted by carver9
Don't know why you are saying this but what fts of Aquaman are you using that makes you think he can beat this version of Colossus.? Colossus was destroying Ultimate Thor (who is at the minimum a low Herald) and Ironman at the same time. Being or beating a Herald isn't outside of Colossus power.
Pretty much everything we've seen of him post reboot. Punching out Superman, matching Diana briefly, stabbing Darkseid (twice), lifting a cruise ship, tossing the submarine, his crazy damage soak, impressive blunt/energy durability.
What feats of Colossus do you think makes him beat this Aquaman? Stopping a train? Beating those versions of Iron Man and Thor? Aquaman could do that.
I'm sure now that I've named Aquaman feats, you're going to go find scans of them.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Why not?😂
Vulko didn't hit him as hard, iirc.
Because it's Aquaman.
What makes you say that? I remember both hitting him off panel for a few pages. Do you have scans by any chance?
The best part? Abhil argued that Thing knocking Thor back for a page was a knock out or whatever nonsense and the two following weeks back to back, Superman suffered way worse from weaker opponents. Ah, good times.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because it's Aquaman.What makes you say that? I remember both hitting him off panel for a few pages. Do you have scans by any chance?
The best part? Abhil argued that Thing knocking Thor back for a page was a knock out or whatever nonsense and the two following weeks back to back, Superman suffered way worse from weaker opponents. Ah, good times.
lol, I suppose I walked right in to that one.
I don't have them to hand, no. Iirc, Vulko only knocked him down, but the fight couldn't continue because Diana put a sword to his throat.
Aquaman isn't weaker than Thing. Or did you mean Vulko.
Originally posted by -Pr-
lol, I suppose I walked right in to that one.I don't have them to hand, no. Iirc, Vulko only knocked him down, but the fight couldn't continue because Diana put a sword to his throat.
Aquaman isn't weaker than Thing. Or did you mean Vulko.
Sorry, but we both know it's true. 🙂
Well I found two partial scans:
http://i.imgur.com/wN5sQ.jpg
http://dreager1.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/2we1.jpg
Pretty much the same thing I figure. Superman gets hit and he disappears for a few pages.
Both. Aquaman got a few good feats under his belt but I'm sticking with the tried and true for now.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sorry, but we both know it's true. 🙂Well I found two partial scans:
http://i.imgur.com/wN5sQ.jpg
http://dreager1.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/2we1.jpgPretty much the same thing I figure. Superman gets hit and he disappears for a few pages.
Both. Aquaman got a few good feats under his belt but I'm sticking with the tried and true for now.
lol, you'll come around eventually. I actually find it somewhat surprising when Thor fans don't immediately like Aquaman, given the similarities between them.
I don't think the punches were equal, but even if you wanted to say they were, Aquaman has a few nice strength/durability feats that put him easily in the low herald tier, imo.
You could have argued before the reboot that Aquaman was able to beat Thing. With his push since the reboot, I honestly don't see Thing being on his level, tbh. Same with Colossus.
Originally posted by -Pr-
lol, you'll come around eventually. I actually find it somewhat surprising when Thor fans don't immediately like Aquaman, given the similarities between them.I don't think the punches were equal, but even if you wanted to say they were, Aquaman has a few nice strength/durability feats that put him easily in the low herald tier, imo.
You could have argued before the reboot that Aquaman was able to beat Thing. With his push since the reboot, I honestly don't see Thing being on his level, tbh. Same with Colossus.
I actually do like Aquaman, I was championing him for a long while along with Namor whenever I saw them getting lowballed. There really are a lot of similarities between the two.
I don't know if they were equal, I'm assuming that Aquaman would be noticeably stronger then Vulko or any other Atlantean. I just said they had the same effect based on what we saw. And I just find it kind of funny that a fat Atlantean bum did rocked Superman a week after Thor was getting lowballed for being knocked off his feet by Thing.
In a fight? Yea. In a slug fest? Nah, I think that's overreaching tbh. Why not? Aquaman exists in a tier where he can affect the big guns with his punches and at times can even hang for a certain amount of time. Thing has defined that tier for decades, Orin is just catching up.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I actually do like Aquaman, I was championing him for a long while along with Namor whenever I saw them getting lowballed. There really are a lot of similarities between the two.I don't know if they were equal, I'm assuming that Aquaman would be noticeably stronger then Vulko or any other Atlantean. I just said they had the same effect based on what we saw. And I just find it kind of funny that a fat Atlantean bum did rocked Superman a week after Thor was getting lowballed for being knocked off his feet by Thing.
In a fight? Yea. In a slug fest? Nah, I think that's overreaching tbh. Why not? Aquaman exists in a tier where he can affect the big guns with his punches and at times can even hang for a certain amount of time. Thing has defined that tier for decades, Orin is just catching up.
Good. sneer
Aquaman is stronger than Vulko, yeah. Maybe, but it's Abhi, so...
Before the reboot, yes, Thing had more/better strength feats for the most part. It was just always hinted that Aquaman was this ridiculously strong guy, but Peter David and the like chose to show off his telepathy to the extent that what Johns is doing right now is almost a polar opposite. Since the reboot, though, I honestly think I've seen more than enough of Aquaman to put him above that tier.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Good. sneerAquaman is stronger than Vulko, yeah. Maybe, but it's Abhi, so...
Before the reboot, yes, Thing had more/better strength feats for the most part. It was just always hinted that Aquaman was this ridiculously strong guy, but Peter David and the like chose to show off his telepathy to the extent that what Johns is doing right now is almost a polar opposite. Since the reboot, though, I honestly think I've seen more than enough of Aquaman to put him above that tier.
Thor is still better, don't get ahead of yourself. Aquaman even looks like his younger baby brother.
Fair enough.
He was strong, yea, but I think usually it was pretty clear that there was a difference between someone like Diana and Orin in terms of strength, not to mention Superman. He was the guy on the street lifting a car/truck etc. while they were the building/planet moving tier. Tbh, you can't really expect to many feats from him on a team with those kind of guys. Which is why I'm curious how it's going to be handled when John moves on. I don't know if I'm ready to place him at the Wonder Woman level strength yet, hasn't really done enough for that.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor is still better, don't get ahead of yourself. Aquaman even looks like his younger baby brother.Fair enough.
He was strong, yea, but I think usually it was pretty clear that there was a difference between someone like Diana and Orin in terms of strength, not to mention Superman. He was the guy on the street lifting a car/truck etc. while they were the building/planet moving tier. Tbh, you can't really expect to many feats from him on a team with those kind of guys. Which is why I'm curious how it's going to be handled when John moves on. I don't know if I'm ready to place him at the Wonder Woman level strength yet, hasn't really done enough for that.
Shush!
The problem with Orin (though Johns got rid of that, the ****er) was that his strength, up until even the reboot, was left very vague, even going back in to the pre-crisis days. This was a guy that, on his day, could physically dominate people and knock, say, Martian Manhunter on his ass, but then Peter David came along and decided that Aquaman's telepathy was to be his primary attribute. But yeah, he was generally (at least post crisis) considered to be somewhat below Diana.
Johns seems to see things differently nowadays though, and even going back to Infinite Crisis, Johns has always viewed Aquaman as being a physical powerhouse. If you need to see more, that's fair enough, but I honestly think Johns has set enough of a precedent that Aquaman is now, physically, around Diana level, if a notch below it.
Concerning the fight Aquaman should win.
He is a legit 100 toner post Flashpoint, much faster than Colossus and the trident would seriously hurt Colossus.
Concerning the AQ and Diana comparison, Johns consistently portrays him close to her level (if not equal) every chance he gets. Remember he was the one who wrote the Aquaman - Despero fight in JLA Crisis of Conscience, the Flashpoint AQ - WW fight (where AQ had the upper hand, on land, until the fight was interrupted by Captain Thunder) and the brief fight in Throne of Atlantis and AQ always came out looking good.
I don't know if AQ is really up there but he certainly looks very close and certainly higher than Thing/Colossus level characters.
IMO
