Originally posted by pencilcrayon
He got shot by one of the two featless bounty hunters. These are flesh targets and he still got shot.
Nyriss handpicked those bounty hunters to evaluate Scourge's combat abilities; this should tell you something about their reputation. On top of this, the fact that they managed to score a hit on Scourge, is an indication that they are not to be underestimated.
In the novel, Scourge is in development phase. By the end of the novel, he had addressed all of his shortcomings.
As far as the contest is concerned:-
If Scourge (normal) is considered:
1. Scourge
2. Scourge
3. Scourge
If Scourge (Emperor's Wrath) is considered:
1. Scourge (utterly)
2. Scourge (utterly)
3. Scourge (utterly)
Luke, prior to DE, is outclassed in this contest.
Against Emperor's Wrath incarnation, (Post-DE) Luke would be decent candidate.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The closer to RotJ, the bigger chance there is of Luke winning.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
RotJ Luke is equal to RotJ Vader in terms of skill. Scourge isn't beating Vader.
Vader might win and/or loose against Scourge (normal) depending upon circumstances, factors and variables; he would be more powerful then Scourge (normal) but can loose to him in a lightsaber duel. Scourge (normal) is as powerful as Meetra Surik and she is among the heavy-weights of the mythos. The Emperor's Wrath incarnation is exponentially more powerful and logically too tough for even Vader.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Why not? In the big picture, many individuals rival or exceed Vader in power. Some even during Force Wars era; one such individual send Vader packing and destroyed/infected his companions in the process.Vader might win and/or loose against Scourge (normal) depending upon circumstances, factors and variables; he would be more powerful then Scourge (normal) but can loose to him in a lightsaber duel. Scourge (normal) is as powerful as Meetra Surik and she is among the heavy-weights of the mythos. The Emperor's Wrath incarnation is exponentially more powerful and logically too tough for even Vader.
Of-course, Vader is far more powerful then countless individuals in the Galaxy during his era just like other elites.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I don't see Scourge as impressive as you are. Vader, on the other hand, can boast hype of being 80% of Sidious, has fought equally with Luke and Marek, has thrown ships and collapsed cathedrals etc.
I do believe that Vader is more powerful then Scourge (normal); though Scourge can edge him out in a lightsaber duel.
Most importantly, Emperor's Wrath is not a normal incarnation; it is a Sith Sorcery based incarnation. Scourge is (artificially) extraordinarily capable in this incarnation. I regard this incarnation as an example of an anomaly like Nihilus. This incarnation has extraordinary kill record to boot (victims include many "powerful" individuals).
Being 80% of G-canon Sidious is impressive; however, their is 20% gap in between. Regardless, Sidious became much more powerful after his return (DE incarnation). Vader is no match for DE incarnation of Sidious.
I was going to use a quote from Silver2467's Luke respect thread to point out that even after RotJ Luke needed to be taught how to use Force Speed but for some reason his respect thread is gone and I can't remember who was teaching him other than she was a woman and now I dont even know if it was after Rotj so now I'm sad. 🙁
Depends on what point of the Rebellion this is. While he may be able to defeat Luke as of ESB, I doubt he can win against ROTJ Incarnation Luke.
Luke has moved so fast his blade has left afterimages. He's deflected fire from 12 shooters simultaneously. He's dueled on equivalent level of Darth Vader, who I'm sure is above Scourge's level.
Nonetheless, I see this being a difficult fight either way, and do respect Scourge, as he was also able to compete with the Hero of Tython for a time, and 300 years ought to get you somewhere.