The Avengers Vs JLA

Originally posted by cdtm
There's high end feats, and there's Hal and Sinestro single handedly hurting/defeating characters entire groups of GL's, or even amped GL's like White Lantern Kyle or Sodam Yat, couldn't do anything against.

John's had Hal summon Nekron and order him around, for crying out loud. Hell, back in the Infinite Crisis story, Hal somehow managed to break free from Alpha Lantern restraints with a completely depowered ring.

John's wrote some great stuff, but lets be honest, he wasn't even trying to pretend he wasn't a Hal and Sinestro fanboy. 😉

Fodder Green Lantern is fodder.

Nekron was f*cking awesome as a will power feat but not sure how it translates to a battle. The Krona Buster is far more relevant imho.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Fodder Green Lantern is fodder.

Nekron was f*cking awesome as a will power feat but not sure how it translates to a battle. The Krona Buster is far more relevant imho.

The Black Lantern arc established the undead bodies weren't even the real characters, though. And even if they were, how does being a black lantern = being able to even engage in a battle of wills, let alone win one against Nekron?

And Kyle Rayner, Guy Gardner, and John Stewart are cannon fodder though?

Sodam Yat and White Lantern GL? For their "amps", did they get to do much of anything that was half as impressive as the stuff Hal and Sin kept busting out?

Originally posted by cdtm
The Black Lantern arc established the undead bodies weren't even the real characters, though. And even if they were, how does being a black lantern = being able to even engage in a battle of wills, let alone win one against Nekron?

And Kyle Rayner, Guy Gardner, and John Stewart are cannon fodder though?

Sodam Yat and White Lantern GL? For their "amps", did they get to do much of anything that was half as impressive as the stuff Hal and Sin kept busting out?

Didn't see the edit. I'm not sure, Hal was able to summon him and control him, really impressive will power feat but you can't mention it in a vs. thread unless it's a contest of wills.

I'll re-read the issue. I'm not going to pretend that Johns doesn't think Hal and Sinestro > The entire Green Lantern Corps though.

Yea, Sodam Yat is a f*cking worthless c*nt. Thor or Superman would beat his face in at this point I swear. We'll see how Kyle's new amp plays out. I hope it doesn't last long because with a lot of appearances the writers are going to job him for someone of that power level sooner or later.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I disagree with those.

Blue Marvel and Supes can go either way.

Originally posted by carver9
Blue Marvel and Supes can go either way.

Depends on your view of Sentry, I guess.

Personally, I think he's >>> Superman, Thor, or Hulk, considering some of the stuff he's pulled (Obviously, Molecule Man, but even his origin story is beyond them, considering the sheer power he was making crap their collective tights...)

I'd go with Superman over BM just based on a lack of appearences

That said Quasar being a silver bullet vs Supes is what makes me give it to the Avengers.

Originally posted by cdtm
There's high end feats, and there's Hal and Sinestro single handedly hurting/defeating characters entire groups of GL's, amped GL's like White Lantern Kyle (Who hasn't exactly become a power player since his evolution.) or Sodam Yat, or The Guardians couldn't do anything against.

Originally posted by cdtm
John's had Hal summon Nekron and order him around, for crying out loud. Hell, back in the Infinite Crisis story, Hal somehow managed to break free from Alpha Lantern restraints with a completely depowered ring. And Sin, he gets to take out a character that defeats Kyle, Ganthet, Stewart, and two other GL's, and does it easily, And worse, he actually hurts Volthoom, the universal reality warper that laughed off White Lantern Kyle Rayners attacks.

John's wrote some great stuff, but lets be honest, he wasn't even trying to pretend he wasn't a Hal and Sinestro fanboy. 😉

Originally posted by ODG
Everyone has their high feats.

True, but I still think Johns goes overboard on Hal/Sin...

But really, I guess I'm bitter about how Kyle's been written.

He's a white lantern, and he's done NOTHING important, and got punked by Volthoom harder then anyone. The white lantern came off looking weaker then the other lanterns, even though it's supposed to comprise all of them into some sort of super lantern..

Originally posted by cdtm
True, but I still think Johns goes overboard on Hal/Sin...

But really, I guess I'm bitter about how Kyle's been written.

He's a white lantern, and he's done NOTHING important, and got punked by Volthoom harder then anyone. The white lantern came off looking weaker then the other lanterns, even though it's supposed to comprise all of them into some sort of super lantern..

This wasn't WL Kyle's story. We'll see what he can do eventually. Even at this point, he's only just recently gotten a hold of controlling his various spectrum powers properly, let alone effectively.

The Avengers win, too stacked...Surfer in the lineup skews this...

Originally posted by cdtm
True, but I still think Johns goes overboard on Hal/Sin...

But really, I guess I'm bitter about how Kyle's been written.

He's a white lantern, and he's done NOTHING important, and got punked by Volthoom harder then anyone. The white lantern came off looking weaker then the other lanterns, even though it's supposed to comprise all of them into some sort of super lantern..

It's just, if we want to go full-on fan boner, my point is still entirely valid. You think this is the best of the best feats? Ok, fine. I don't even want to argue something so subjective. Point is, you're still ignoring that half a dozen others in this fight have nigh-abstract level high-end feats.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
The Avengers win, too stacked...Surfer in the lineup skews this...

Originally posted by cdtm
Captain America beats Batman.

Blue Marvel beats Superman.

Quasar beats Hal.

Thor destroys Wonder Woman.

Surfer rapes Martian Manhunter.

Barry defeats Monica.

Hulk beats Aquaman.

Iron Man takes the win over Cyborg.

Leaves Barry vs nearly the entire Avengers lineup. He can almost solo the team, but imo Surfer can match or better his speed.

Team Avengers wins.

Originally posted by cdtm
Depends on your view of Sentry, I guess.

Personally, I think he's >>> Superman, Thor, or Hulk, considering some of the stuff he's pulled (Obviously, Molecule Man, but even his origin story is beyond them, considering the sheer power he was making crap their collective tights...)

Originally posted by Digi
It's just, if we want to go full-on fan boner, my point is still entirely valid. You think this is the best of the best feats? Ok, fine. I don't even want to argue something so subjective. Point is, you're still ignoring that half a dozen others in this fight have nigh-abstract level high-end feats.

I did say Quasar beats Hal, before I entered rant mode. 😉

But if we're talking feats seriously: What do they have on the Krona buster, while Krona was amped by all the entites?

Even Quasar fighting a Monitor is reasonable by comparison... This is like is Richard Rider simply punched out Thanos and cancerverse Mar-vell, instead of the better ending we got. 🙁

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
you can't mention it in a vs. thread unless it's a contest of wills.

.... even when his attacks come from his ring which is EMPOWERED by his willpower?

Originally posted by cdtm
I did say Quasar beats Hal, before I entered rant mode. 😉

But if we're talking feats seriously: What do they have on the Krona buster, while Krona was amped by all the entites?

Even Quasar fighting a Monitor is reasonable by comparison... This is like is Richard Rider simply punched out Thanos and cancerverse Mar-vell, instead of the better ending we got. 🙁

Quasar has tanked Galactus. Thor tore a hole in a Celestial. Thor has the fight against Mercy, a no-bones-about-it abstract being that he essentially double KO'd and reduced to nothing. Surfer has the Crunch feat against Aegis/Tenebrous, or the one where multiple planets were being destroyed just from the shockwaves of his battles, not even direct attacks. Superman has...help me out Superman fans. Hulk has...help me out Hulk fans. But I know they both have that level of absurdity as well.

If you pick one feat and decide not to take the irrational ones from the others, of course he seems like the best. Maybe it is in fact the best feat of any of them. It's really, REALLY hard to say at such levels. But it's irresponsible to act like it's the only feat worth determining the fight on.