anybody care to weigh in on this question?
anybody care to weigh in on this question?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Both terrible decisions.
I think the Galaxy Note 3 is the best cellphone I have ever owned, by far.
Also, the Xbox One is coming into its own, now. I'm starting to like it, these days.
The wife and I, instead of going to the movie theater, now have date night at home. We rent a movie for $6. That's the equivalent of two $3 movie tickets. But we get the benefit of our own home and if we want to go get a snack while watching our show, we just pause the movie! Also, I can grab your boobies while watching the movie without fear of getting kicked out. WEEEE!
So, yeah, the media aspect of the Xbox One is quite nice. The games are very lacking, though. Minus Forza 5 two or 3 other gems, there really aren't that many great games. 🙁
Originally posted by Bardock42
Why not?
Stupid and pointless if you have a smart phone. Screen is also waaaaay too small.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I got a Samsung Note 3 as well. HDMI out, good for downloading torrents to and watching them on the big screen.
*fistbump*
Great minds n'all that. 🙂
You know, if I was a mod I'd have fixed this thread title a year ago. Bothers me every time I see it.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I got a Samsung Note 3 as well. HDMI out, good for downloading torrents to and watching them on the big screen.
Well, I can see the appeal of a big screen, I do have an iPad Mini which I treasure. It is rumored that Apple will release a bigger iPhone version later this year. If there's an option I think I'd stick with the smaller one however.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Stupid and pointless if you have a smart phone. Screen is also waaaaay too small.*fistbump*
Great minds n'all that. 🙂
Hmm, I would like some sort of wristband that could give me some information (notifications, etc.) and could also gather biometrics for me. I think by the end of the year I'll at least try some sort of smart wearable.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Hmm, I would like some sort of wristband that could give me some information (notifications, etc.) and could also gather biometrics for me. I think by the end of the year I'll at least try some sort of smart wearable.
They have less cumbersome devices for that. My boss wears one. Fitbit?
Neat devices, those things. But I see no point to having them as, basically, a small smartphone. Why not the scanning equipment on the wrist and the screen and everything in the phone? I don't see the smart watch market taking off. It will be niche, at best, and fail dismally, at worst.
The bigger iPhone, since the market research indicates they want a bigger phone, should sell quite well. My complaints against Apple would nearly vanish if they made a 5" smartphone.
A fitbit or a fuelband is probably what I'd get if Apple doesn't come out with something. But yeah, they only do some aspects of the health monitoring, there are a lot more things that could be potentially great.
And there we come to the point of what we define as a smartwatch, right. I mean Samsung and Google and such seem to think it should be basically a small phone on your wrist. In regards to devices like that, Samsung Gear, Pebble, Moto 360 I do mostly agree with you.
Well, the market research is a bit disingenious, the vast majority of premium phones sold are 4 inch devices (the iPhone). There are some people who want bigger phones admittedly, so it makes sense for them to try to tap into that market.
Although, basically if you want a high end phone your choice is 4 inch and iOS or 5+ inch and Android. There really aren't any Android flagship smartphones in the 4 inch range, so we just don't know what people actually prefer.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, the market research is a bit disingenious, the vast majority of premium phones sold are 4 inch devices (the iPhone). There are some people who want bigger phones admittedly, so it makes sense for them to try to tap into that market.Although, basically if you want a high end phone your choice is 4 inch and iOS or 5+ inch and Android. There really aren't any Android flagship smartphones in the 4 inch range, so we just don't know what people actually prefer.
I thought we went over this on GS? Market research showed that 4.5-5 inches was the preferred screen size.
IIRC, even Apple's own research confirmed that.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought we went over this on GS? Market research showed that 4.5-5 inches was the preferred screen size.IIRC, even Apple's own research confirmed that.
I remember you claiming that. I don't remember there being conclusive evidence. I especially don't know of any Apple internal research reports, like that.
The only indications I have read about people "preferring" larger screens is in snap buying decisions, not long term testing, which is not the same thing of course. There seems to be some evidence, that peoople in a store will think they will like the bigger screen more for themselves, and therefore buy it, even though they might actually prefer a smaller device long term.
Originally posted by BackFire
My powers know no bounds.
Noo, shield your eyes, don't look at such infinite power directly.....!!!!!
Originally posted by Bardock42
I remember you claiming that. I don't remember there being conclusive evidence. I especially don't know of any Apple internal research reports, like that.
I remember linking you to both research articles. 🙂
Originally posted by Bardock42
The only indications I have read about people "preferring" larger screens is in snap buying decisions, not long term testing, which is not the same thing of course. There seems to be some evidence, that peoople in a store will think they will like the bigger screen more for themselves, and therefore buy it, even though they might actually prefer a smaller device long term.
I don't agree with this. It seems like a half-assed apologetic for Apple rather than a genuine refutation of the research results.
But, here's some reading material:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/technology/handset-makers-go-big-on-smartphones.html?_r=0
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prCN24344613
Here's an article that covers part of what Apple discovered: the need to make a bigger phone:
Also, here's a nice summary of everything from the dailymail (I consider this to be a smut site but they sometimes have decent articles):
Well, like I said this is all hypothesis, some of these articles have already been shown to be inaccurate in their assumptions (Samsung's stalling growth) as well or use obsolete information (China Mobile launch). I think you are really falling for the media hype machine here, we'll have to wait for the actual sales numbers, to see how much people choose iPhones despite the 4 inch screen. By all accounts there will be one (or maybe two) larger screened iPhone this year. It's possible that they will completely scrap the 4 inch model, in which case we might never know the actual market preference, but hopefully they won't and we'll learn something about consumer preferences.
As it stands my point is pretty much irrefutable, you can only get iOS flagships at 4 inches, and you can only get Android flagships at 4.5+ inches. So there's no direct competition to tell us what assumption is true;
Yours/Android Apologist "The Android flagships are following the market demands, therefore they all go to bigger screens, and Apple is lagging behind"
Mine/Apple Apologist "Android flagship devices are unable to compete with Apple in the same size category, that's why in a desperate attempt to differentiate themselves they move to larger and larger screens"
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, like I said this is all hypothesis, some of these articles have already been shown to be inaccurate in their assumptions (Samsung's stalling growth) as well or use obsolete information (China Mobile launch). I think you are really falling for the media hype machine here, we'll have to wait for the actual sales numbers, to see how much people choose iPhones despite the 4 inch screen. By all accounts there will be one (or maybe two) larger screened iPhone this year. It's possible that they will completely scrap the 4 inch model, in which case we might never know the actual market preference, but hopefully they won't and we'll learn something about consumer preferences.As it stands my point is pretty much irrefutable, you can only get iOS flagships at 4 inches, and you can only get Android flagships at 4.5+ inches. So there's no direct competition to tell us what assumption is true;
Yours/Android Apologist "The Android flagships are following the market demands, therefore they all go to bigger screens, and Apple is lagging behind"
Mine/Apple Apologist "Android flagship devices are unable to compete with Apple in the same size category, that's why in a desperate attempt to differentiate themselves they move to larger and larger screens"
I disagree. I think the market has made it pretty clear that they prefer larger screens (didja read any of the links?). The research shows that. The sales numbers which indicate a loss in Apples' market share in that screen market and an increase in the larger screen market (which indicates a direct shift) clearly indicates that not only is the market wanting larger screens than the 4" iPhone, Apple is behind the competition.
The fact that Apple is probably releasing a larger screen also indicates that they recognize they are losing the market share to the larger screens. They want to capitalize on that before it is too late. That's a good thing, in my opinion. They should capitalize on it.
If they had done this 6 years ago, I wouldn't have complained. I would have gladly purchased at $1000 phone if it was an iPhone with a 5.5" screen. 🙂
They are losing market share, that's true. But they are actually growing their sales, so it's not that bad. Most of the market share loss comes from sub-300$ phones, where Apple isn't playing at all.
Basically I see the move to have a larger screen as terrifying for Samsung, more so than a problem Apple had. Like I think that the larger iPhone will take a lot of the remaining over 500$ category, more so than it would get users that already have iPhones away from the 4 inch version.
I have read the links, some of them before you posted them, and like I said, I disagree with your interpretation of these.
Originally posted by Bardock42
They are losing market share, that's true. But they are actually growing their sales, so it's not that bad. Most of the market share loss comes from sub-300$ phones, where Apple isn't playing at all.
Except they are with the 5c and one of the articles I posted talked about that. I do believe it stated they were gaining market share in that category.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Basically I see the move to have a larger screen as terrifying for Samsung, more so than a problem Apple had. Like I think that the larger iPhone will take a lot of the remaining over 500$ category, more so than it would get users that already have iPhones away from the 4 inch version.
I agree that Apple expanding into the larger screen format on mobile phones is bad for everyone else but Apple. Apple would have made the jump, sooner, had the shit from Jobs not lasted so long. The 5 being bigger should have happened with the 3GS. The 5 should have been 4.5" (with a similar aspect ratio to other phones in that category).
If the sales supported it, THEN they could entertain 5" and 5.5" screen form-factors.
But, now, they are having to play catch-up to gain back some of the market share they lost (both new market share and existing market share).
Originally posted by Bardock42
I have read the links, some of them before you posted them, and like I said, I disagree with your interpretation of these.
It's okay. If Apple puts out a 4.5" phone, then Apple will have conceded the argument for both of us. I strongly suspect they will.