What is the Gap between a Skyfather and..

Originally posted by Terryc250
The gap between a high herald is quite large.

Thanos who is a inbetween a skyfather and high herald - a transcendent, beat Surfer to the brink of death with like 9 punches or so? Odin effortlessly one shotted Surfer, then owned Thanos.

20 Surfer's would still get wrecked by a skyfather.

We are not talking about 20 Surfers fight Odin. Why can't people understand the OP? Was I ambiguous?
I want to know how many Surfers stacked into ONE BEING can match Odin in a fight that can go either way. 1000 little toddlers can't do jack shit to an adult man (biting not included). But stacking the strength and durability of all 1000 toddlers into one being then it can be a match (or more than a match).

My guess is 20 Surfers stacked into one being can match or exceed Odin in a fight.
I view Thanos as 3-4x Surfer
I view Odin as 3-5x Thanos

So Odin is about 9-20x Surfer.

Originally posted by Terryc250
The gap between a high herald is quite large.

Thanos who is a inbetween a skyfather and high herald - a transcendent, beat Surfer to the brink of death with like 9 punches or so? Odin effortlessly one shotted Surfer, then owned Thanos.

20 Surfer's would still get wrecked by a skyfather.

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Originally posted by the Darkone
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Why give a thumbs up to something he misunderstood. The OP isn't about how many Surfers could engage Odin but rather how many stacked into one being could engage him with a chance to win.

I responded to Terry with the following right before you gave the thumbs up.

Originally posted by h1a8
We are not talking about 20 Surfers fight Odin. Why can't people understand the OP? Was I ambiguous?
I want to know how many Surfers stacked into [b]ONE BEING can match Odin in a fight that can go either way. 1000 little toddlers can't do jack shit to an adult man (biting not included). But stacking the strength and durability of all 1000 toddlers into one being then it can be a match (or more than a match).

My guess is 20 Surfers stacked into one being can match or exceed Odin in a fight.
I view Thanos as 3-4x Surfer
I view Odin as 3-5x Thanos

So Odin is about 9-20x Surfer. [/B]

Odin can lay wast too 20 max Silver Surfer with ease, Odin can amp beyond normal levels, high end sky fathers max is greater than High Herald :/, Odin as his max was Abstract level, Odin evil self was siphon energy from Infinity and was crushing moons and destroying galaxies.

Cube Beings, Elder Gods and Sky Fathers are damn near low abstracts if we take them at their best. And Odin has better feats than high end Abstracts.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Flattered at what? A troll derailing a thread I'm interested in? Stop encouraging stupidity.

Fall back guy please, your advances are not wanted.

Back to topic.
I think that the amount of heralds u stack wouldn't matter. Ultimately skyfathers have a much greater source of power to draw upon that would dwarf anything those stacked heralds could achieve. People keep saying that characters like Thor or Norrin have and can produce skyfather level attacks. This is true but those instances are few and far in between and not an outlier for there average power levels. Plus we have to take into consideration what level she sky's can achieve when placed in similar situations

👆 100% agree, Odin high end is abstract level based on his feats

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Not neccessarily true; in the right environment, a High Meta can potentially annihilate a High Herald...

Neo is considered a High Meta, and he'd defeat almost any Low, Mid, or High Herald (with a few exceptions like Henshaw) if he fought them in the Matrix...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
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So you extrapolated a number based off of nothingness and you divided it against a similar yet still meaningless number assigned to Odin and you got 5...

So iyo

would Surfer with 5% of the Pc beat Odin?

And if so,

It would take more than 20 skyfathers fused to beat Galactus...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Lol no

Um...yeah.

Neo can manipulate, and in some cases change, the rules of the Matrix; Thor, Surfer, and many other Heralds would be completely at Neo's mercy if they fought him there...

So yeah, in the right environment, a Meta could defeat a Herald...

Cloak (who is a Meta) would defeat Absorbing Man (who is a Low Herald) at nighttime with extreme ease...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Um...yeah.

Neo can manipulate, and in some cases change, the rules of the Matrix; Thor, Surfer, and many other Heralds would be completely at Neo's mercy if they fought him there...

So yeah, in the right environment, a Meta could defeat a Herald...

Cloak (who is a Meta) would defeat Absorbing Man (who is a Low Herald) at nighttime with extreme ease...

Cloak, as in cloak & dagger

Creel would break him in half

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Neo have any feat even close to Lightspeed?

Cloak, as in cloak & dagger

Creel would break him in half

Neo doesnt need them; he could manipulate their code (remember in the Matrix he'd be facing their digitalized self's) so that they simply couldnt move that fast or alternately he could change the rules of the system so that no one could move faster than he could...

Also, yeah, Cloak could very easily beat Creel; use stealth to sneak up on him (remember, battle happens at night) and then BFR him away to the Dark Dimension...

Creel would have no defense to this nor would he ever see it coming...

@pym-ftw

Cloak could defeat Classic Juggs and Savage Hulk at night in the same exact fashion and beat them every single time...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So are you just going to ignore me H1?

So you extrapolated a number based off of nothingness and you divided it against a similar yet still meaningless number assigned to Odin and you got 5...

So iyo

would Surfer with 5% of the Pc beat Odin?

And if so,

It would take more than 20 skyfathers fused to beat Galactus...

Everyone in their right mind can sense Thanos is about 3-4x as powerful as Surfer if you consider their entire histories.

From the Odin and Thanos battle we can sense that Odin was only 3-5x as powerful as Thanos.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Odin can lay wast too 20 max Silver Surfer with ease, Odin can amp beyond normal levels, high end sky fathers max is greater than High Herald :/, Odin as his max was Abstract level, Odin evil self was siphon energy from Infinity and was crushing moons and destroying galaxies.

Cube Beings, Elder Gods and Sky Fathers are damn near low abstracts if we take them at their best. And Odin has better feats than high end Abstracts.

Skyfathers don't amp physically against Surfer sized opponents.
The OP stated average portrayals of Skyfathers (like Thanos against Odin).
Surfer at his best can withstand low Abstract Level beings, so has Thor (Celestials).

You just love pulling numbers out of your arse don't you.

Twenty times. Five times... One times?!....

Surfer is supposedly 1% of galactus.

Surfer is a high herald
Quasar is a high herald
Adding quantum bands makes you quasar which makes you a high herald...
Surfer plus quantum bands = keeper = similar power levels to galactus...
Galactus is equal to or greater then Odin
So in that situation hh + hh = 100xhh

Which means that since adding two high heralds makes a high herald 100x stronger... strong enough to match Odin....

You only need 2 surfers to equal Odin...in the past surfer was two beings... The silver surfer and the black surfer...

They merged into one... Current silver surfer...

So since current silver surfer is already the combined might of two high heralds (black and silver surfers) and knowing that if you match galactus you match Odin.. Then you can see that surfer is 100x surfer thus he is equal to galactus thus he matches Odin.

So one Silver surfer is all you need since he is also 100x silver surfers.

I figured that hia8 speak was the only way to eloquently describe the scenario.

Best regards: rotiart

Ps. Hate speak should also be known as speaking from ones ass.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Neo doesnt need them; he could manipulate their code (remember in the Matrix he'd be facing their digitalized self's) so that they simply couldnt move that fast or alternately he could change the rules of the system so that no one could move faster than he could...

Originally posted by NemeBro
He has never shown control of the Matrix this extensive.

Sure he has...

Think about his feats performed while in the Matrix; all of them are based around code manipulation and changing the rules of the system when needed (Neo is essentially a powerful technopath fighting in a digitalized battleground while in the Matrix)...

For example, Agents can be incredibly strong and incredibly fast while in the Matrix, but they still are bound by the rules of the system and so have a "cap" to their speed and strength (Morpheus explains this in the original movie); Neo is able to change the rules so that he is able to bypass this cap and be faster and stronger than they are...

After destroying Agent Smith in the original movie, Neo demostrates reality warping when he flexes and causes the scene behind him to bend and flex according to his will; this is another example of him changing the rules on a whim...

Neo demostrated the ability to manipulate the code of others when he saved Trinity's live from that Improved Agents killshot; he reached into her body, removed the bullet, and then reached back into her body and jump started her heart (which was simply a manipulation of her code)...

So yeah...Neo is vastly powerful in the Matrix and would overwhelm most of the Heralds there with only a few exceptions...like Henshaw.

Originally posted by rotiart
You just love pulling numbers out of your arse don't you.

Twenty times. Five times... One times?!....

Surfer is supposedly 1% of galactus.

Surfer is a high herald
Quasar is a high herald
Adding quantum bands makes you quasar which makes you a high herald...
Surfer plus quantum bands = keeper = similar power levels to galactus...
Galactus is equal to or greater then Odin
So in that situation hh + hh = 100xhh

Which means that since adding two high heralds makes a high herald 100x stronger... strong enough to match Odin....

You only need 2 surfers to equal Odin...in the past surfer was two beings... The silver surfer and the black surfer...

They merged into one... Current silver surfer...

So since current silver surfer is already the combined might of two high heralds (black and silver surfers) and knowing that if you match galactus you match Odin.. Then you can see that surfer is 100x surfer thus he is equal to galactus thus he matches Odin.

So one Silver surfer is all you need since he is also 100x silver surfers.

I figured that hia8 speak was the only way to eloquently describe the scenario.

Best regards: rotiart

Ps. Hate speak should also be known as speaking from ones ass.

Some would take the 1% with a grain of salt and favor showings if they contradict.

p.s. im asking everyone to pull numbers out of their arse. But back it up with some type of reasoning.

A thought Surfer was 1/1,000,000 of Galactus...

Wasnt Galactus's exact quote something to the effect of 1/1,000 of 1/1,000?

Originally posted by h1a8
Some would take the 1% with a grain of salt and favor showings if they contradict.

Originally posted by Astner
So there's actually a source confirming that the Silver Surfer is supposed to have 1% of Galactus' power? If so, could anyone share it?

1%, I'm just pulling from my arse.

But for galactus saying that surfer was given only a fraction of his power.. I forget but it's somewhere...

Anyways I'm just more surprised this wasn't closed yet. You aren't really having a battle here but mods get to choose what gets opened and closed ..

Originally posted by rotiart
1%, I'm just pulling from my arse.

But for galactus saying that surfer was given only a fraction of his power.. I forget but it's somewhere...

Anyways I'm just more surprised this wasn't closed yet. You aren't really having a battle here but mods get to choose what gets opened and closed ..

This is an important thread in order to determine the difference