hard to say, in their original portrayal, LT and the spectre managed to affect them and even merge them together, however when the brothers unleashed their full fury against each other, LT and the spectre were merely unnoticeable ants compared to them.
then they were retconned a year later in adventures of x men #12, apparently it was LT along with the spectre who fashioned them. Though they were vastly depowered they still held mega-versal power/authority (all this confirmed in the bio)
so only pre retcon brothers should be a match for the beyonder, though there can only be speculations regarding the winner between the 2 sides.
^^ 😐 ... The Brothers appeared nearly 10 years after Beyonder's retcon.
That said, Beyonder did not, and never did,
and never would've existed within any Brother.
Shooter's creation was specific, this is why trying to mesh these characters/histories,
would just create paradoxes and thus pointless to attempt a connection.
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ 😐 ... The Brothers appeared nearly 10 years after Beyonder's retcon.That said, Beyonder did not, and never did,
and never would've existed within any Brother.Shooter's creation was specific, this is why trying to mesh these characters/histories,
would just create paradoxes and thus pointless to attempt a connection.
😐
The Brothers represent the companies...can we agree on that?
And the Beyonder, regardless of whether it was 10 years before, are a part of Marvel...can we agree on that?
If so, it's pretty cut and dry.
Originally posted by Cogito
😐The Brothers represent the companies...can we agree on that?
And the Beyonder, regardless of whether it was 10 years before, are a part of Marvel...can we agree on that?
If so, it's pretty cut and dry.
The Brothers "represent the companies" ...
yet the LT & Spectre warped the shit out of both of them by merging them forcibly,
which nearly obliterated both Brothers.
Beyonder was outside the Marvelverse.
Beyonder always was, since Beyonder had no beginning.
Beyonder was the supreme being of everything Outside the Marvelverse.
Beyonder was like GOD before there was a Genesis.
Again, if I were to consider the Marvel Brother,
it would encompass the droplet of water (Marvelverse) Beyonder found.
Now that's cut and dry.
^^ And Beyonder was meant to be what he was meant to be,
this is why this never works.
That debate aside cause it will go nowhere, I loved the fireworks
display outside my balcony. I have a juicy view from the 17th floor
on a 102nd st right by the river. It was gorgeous, I could feel the
booms/bangs.
How was your 4th of July?
Originally posted by Galan007
...Yet when the Brothers unleashed their powers against one another in a battle setting, LT and Spectre were literally powerless against them.Anyhow, the Brothers win, imo. They were clearly meant to represent the sum-total of Marvel/DC proper.
Agree with this. LT and Spectre were like ants to the brothers.
The oft cited "retcon" is kind of silly on the part of the writer, considering the "Marvel vs DC" story isn't canon to either universe anyways.