HOTM Hulk VS PC Validus( SLUGFEST)

Originally posted by Naija boy
@Galan. perhaps, but then it becomes faulty to use superboy in a portrayal where he was powerful enough to tow solar systems worth of planets as a basis for displaying Validus' strength when in his actual battle against Validus he was getting rocked by the power of a 1000 h bombs...
Moroever the reference to an hbomb is clearly an attempt to estimate power using a reference point the reader will be familiar with. It has absolutely nothing to do with future bombs and there is absolutely no room for speculation about the bomb yield being greater than normal. There isn't even any bomb in the scene in question.

Val completely overpowered him with 2 fingers. 🙂

Its a trope of Silver Age. Nukes may be nothing in today's comics when every-phucking-body has tanked it one day or another but then it was a big deal since writers weren't as scientifically aware back then. You are talking about the writer who invented super-karate FFS!

Or... we could simply use the fact that the yields of the bombs were never stated, and in DC nuclear devices have been shown that far exceed the power of everything IRL.

Stop ignoring me! 🙁

The narrator was using the H bomb as a descriptive device and giving the reader a familiar reference point to estimate to the reader the type of power involved. Hence the only reasonable thought process is that he was referring to hbombs within the typical yield range they were on earth. Not non existent advanced future space hbombs or other unspecified nuclear devices which would serve no descriptive purposes....heck there isn't even an actual bomb in the scene

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its a trope of Silver Age. Nukes may be nothing in today's comics when every-phucking-body has tanked it one day or another but then it was a big deal since writers weren't as scientifically aware back then. You are talking about the writer who invented super-karate FFS!

Anyway, even though I don't think a showing of 'low' durability diminishes any of Superboy's strength feats, there's still Val's effortless handling of Mon-El with 2 fingers to consider. If anyone honestly believes that WBH is strong enough to completely overpower/subdue PC Mon-El with a single hand, then I'd honestly be shocked.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Or... we could simply use the fact that the yields of the bombs were never stated, and in DC nuclear devices have been shown that far exceed the power of everything IRL.

Stop ignoring me! 🙁

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, the comic was published in 1967. Back then, the power of 1,000 RL h-bombs was "holy shit!" worthy... Not to mention that the writers of that era bordered on retarded. Truly.

Anyway, even though I don't think a showing of 'low' durability diminishes any of Superboy's strength feats, there's still Val's effortless handling of Mon-El with 2 fingers to consider. If anyone honestly believes that WBH is strong enough to completely overpower/subdue PC Mon-El with a single hand, then I'd honestly be shocked.

It doesn't diminish any of superboy's feats. Under Shooter he was tanking solar system destroying blasts like absolutely nothing. If we truly want to go by pure feats, superboy was beating superman in one comic and superman tanked the freaking big bang itself.

Not to mention he didn't even register Mon-el going all out on him who thought his girlfriend shadow lass was killed by her. It took Superboy, Mon-el and Ultra-boy to just topple him and they did it by a weak point. Then there was that fight with sun-eater who was destroying galaxies and Validus made it retreat.

Originally posted by Galan007
Okay, then use PC Mon-El. He was also able to toss planets around without effort, and was always portrayed as Superboy's equal in the strength department-- in fact, Superboy once stated that Mon-El was even stronger than he was.

Val completely overpowered him with 2 fingers. 🙂

Fair enough. I don't care enough for the stories in that era to argue otherwise. Just pointing out a rather humorous inconsistency.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then there was that fight with sun-eater who was destroying galaxies and Validus made it retreat.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Fair enough. I don't care enough for the stories in that era to argue otherwise. Just pointing out a rather humorous inconsistency.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Fair enough. I don't care enough for the stories in that era to argue otherwise. Just pointing out a rather humorous inconsistency.

Originally posted by Galan007
Okay, then use PC Mon-El. He was also able to toss planets around without effort, and was always portrayed as Superboy's equal in the strength department-- in fact, Superboy once stated that Mon-El was even stronger than he was.

Val completely overpowered him with 2 fingers. 🙂

like it was nothing. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nice job pointing out how this is ignored whereas the towing planets isn't.

Except that's a feat that actually happened, not an unquantified panel of narration.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Except that's a feat that actually happened, not an unquantified panel of narration.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Except that's a feat that actually happened, not an unquantified panel of narration.

Nope because the narration is vague and doesn't give any specific yield, whereas the planets is something we can directly observe happening.

Actual on-panel feats > Narration/WoG > Plausible/supported character statements > Implausible/unsupported character statements > Speculation.

That's how the hierarchy of evidence works.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Nope because the narration is vague and doesn't give any specific yield, whereas the planets is something we can directly observe happening.

Actual on-panel feats > Narration/WoG > Plausible/supported character statements > Implausible/unsupported character statements > Speculation.

That's how the hierarchy of evidence works.

No, you're wrong. I don't care how you view evidence on naruto.

Sorry but that's the way it works, we've hammered this out over years of debating.

Prolly Validus.

Owning PC Superboy and PC Mon-El should be gud indication of how strong he was.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Sorry but that's the way it works, we've hammered this out over years of debating.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, as I said the only way to know how powerful is through narration.

So that would mean that between Marvel and DC there's about 500 "most powerful guy on Earth" types at any given moment.