Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😐The Void is a mental fabrication of Reynolds, removing him as a voice from his head doesn't depower him. And the intent of placing the Death Seed is to explicitly empower him further.
Ridiculous.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😐The Void is a mental fabrication of Reynolds, removing him as a voice from his head doesn't depower him. And the intent of placing the Death Seed is to explicitly empower him further.
Ridiculous.
I'm not saying that it has to boost him exponentially. I was just making a comparison to how the PG works. I'm just skeptical as to how much of an amp becoming a horseman will provide as Sentry/Void can already be argued as being legit Trans level character. Is there a limit to how the Deathseed amps someone? Will Bob now be at high Trans or sky father levels? (If that's the case why even have the 3 other horseman). Will the Deathseed give him new abilities?(he could pretty much do whatever already). I just don't see how much you more you can amp a character like that whose only real limitations were linked to his mental state of mind.
I guess we will have to wait and see.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Wasn't that retconned by bendis as Void being the angel of death and he was the actual personality and sentry being a fabrication?
The Angel of Death stuff was never explained further besides Osborn yelling about it but what we do know for a fact is that Reynolds was empowered by the Serum and the Void is some voice in his head that manifests through his power. His wife theorized that the serum gave him access to some higher level of power (God's angel of Death) IIRC which is why he can do what he can.
Originally posted by zopzopThis arbitrary rationale only pretends to have a veneer of common sense. But your absurd rationalization obsesses with feats over fact. Fact: GL Hal gets amped by Blue Rings. Feats: While amped by a Blue Ring, he's never even come close to approaching his best solo feats while unamped, e.g., Krona-buster. The feats, or lack thereof, doesn't change the fact that a Blue Ring will amp him and he's more powerful with one.
Well let's see. Voidtry tore gods in two and was manhandling heroes amped with Norn Stones as well as wrecking Asgard. Then there's his absolute annihilation of MM.I'm willing to bet my entire comic collection that this new "amped" Deathtry doesn't do anything anywhere near that impressive; just give Thor a moderately difficult fight before being destroyed by him.
Originally posted by byrdgang21You can remain skeptical of how much of a meaningful amp it will give him, but don't post in a thread and thumbs up a comment that suggests a Death Seed enhancement will result in a handicap. Which is what you did. Based on absolutely nothing and in direct contravention of everything we've seen of characters transformed into Horsemen.
I'm not saying that it has to boost him exponentially. I was just making a comparison to how the PG works. I'm just skeptical as to how much of an amp becoming a horseman will provide as Sentry/Void can already be argued as being legit Trans level character. Is there a limit to how the Deathseed amps someone? Will Bob now be at high Trans or sky father levels? (If that's the case why even have the 3 other horseman). Will the Deathseed give him new abilities?(he could pretty much do whatever already). I just don't see how much you more you can amp a character like that whose only real limitations were linked to his mental state of mind.I guess we will have to wait and see.
Originally posted by byrdgang21
I'm not saying that it has to boost him exponentially. I was just making a comparison to how the PG works. I'm just skeptical as to how much of an amp becoming a horseman will provide as Sentry/Void can already be argued as being legit Trans level character. Is there a limit to how the Deathseed amps someone? Will Bob now be at high Trans or sky father levels? (If that's the case why even have the 3 other horseman). Will the Deathseed give him new abilities?(he could pretty much do whatever already). I just don't see how much you more you can amp a character like that whose only real limitations were linked to his mental state of mind.I guess we will have to wait and see.
I get what you mean, but the Death Seed is still a powerful Celestial item from what I can tell so it should still boost him to some extent.
Originally posted by ODG
This arbitrary rationale only pretends to have a veneer of common sense. But your absurd rationalization obsesses with feats over fact. [b]Fact: GL Hal gets amped by Blue Rings. Feats: While amped by a Blue Ring, he's never even come close to approaching his best solo feats while unamped, e.g., Krona-buster. The feats, or lack thereof, doesn't change the fact that a Blue Ring will amp him and he's more powerful with one. You can remain skeptical of how much of a meaningful amp it will give him, but don't post in a thread and thumbs up a comment that suggests a Death Seed enhancement will result in a handicap. Which is what you did. Based on absolutely nothing and in direct contravention of everything we've seen of characters transformed into Horsemen. [/B]
Well I don't actually agree with it being a "handicap" for Sentry I just don't see how it can give him a huge boost as others are suggesting. At some point there has to be beings above the Deathseed, correct? I mean do you think it would amp someone like Odin too? And I'm in no way suggesting Bob is on the same level as Odin. Just asking a question.
Originally posted by zopzop
Then there's his absolute annihilation of MM.
Absolute annihilation? Thats an extreme fabrication of what happened...
Owen destroyed Voidtry 3 times before Voidtry took advantage of a distracted Owen...
Thats what happened; Void won, but lets not get carried away and leave out the context...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Absolute annihilation? Thats an extreme fabrication of what happened...Owen destroyed Voidtry 3 times before Voidtry took advantage of a [b]distracted
Owen...Thats what happened; Void won, but lets not get carried away and leave out the context... [/B]
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Angel of Death stuff was never explained further besides Osborn yelling about it but what we do know for a fact is that Reynolds was empowered by the Serum and the Void is some voice in his head that manifests through his power. His wife theorized that the serum gave him access to some higher level of power (God's angel of Death) IIRC which is why he can do what he can.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I get what you mean, but the Death Seed is still a powerful Celestial item from what I can tell so it should still boost him to some extent.
Originally posted by byrdgang21Not a single person in this thread has compared a Death Seed amp to a Power Gem amp or anything even remotely close to a "huge boost." The only thing that's being contended here is whether or not the Death Seed will handicap him. And if you're no longer doubting that it is an amp -- and let's not pretend that you weren't -- then there is nothing else to discuss. Admitting that Odin has absolutely no bearing on this conversation in the same breath as when you're begging a meaningless question, doesn't change that you're begging a meaningless question.
Well I don't actually agree with it being a "handicap" for Sentry I just don't see how it can give him a huge boost as others are suggesting. At some point there has to be beings above the Deathseed, correct? I mean do you think it would amp someone like Odin too? And I'm in no way suggesting Bob is on the same level as Odin. Just asking a question.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ugh, bendis is a ****ing hack. I would re-read dark avengers again to see what I can find.
Archangel was powered by death seed, right? Didn't see any impressive feat from him.
Dark Avengers #13 talks about his powers.
Not sure, haven't read X-Force yet unfortunately, will catch up later. But based on what I've read in Uncanny Avengers, it gives one the power to be the next in-line for the throne of Apocalypse.
Sentry is powerful, but adding the powers of Apocalypse should be a boost.
Originally posted by ODG
Not a single person in this thread has compared a Death Seed amp to a Power Gem amp or anything even remotely close to a "huge boost." The only thing that's being contended here is whether or not the Death Seed will handicap him. And if you're no longer doubting that it is an amp -- and let's not pretend that you weren't -- then there is nothing else to discuss. Admitting that Odin has absolutely no bearing on this conversation in the same breath as when you're begging a meaningless question, doesn't change that you're begging a meaningless question.
Well lets just wait and see what happens. Which is why I don't particurly like discussing characters before they even have feats as its complete speculation. But at the same time if I was a gambling man I'd bet that I won't be any more impressed by what Sentry does in this arc than what he has already accomplished.
And just out of curiosity what kind of amp do see Sentry getting from Deathseed? How will it amp him? How does it work in general?
Seems like a worthless amp/addition to me. It's like giving Bill Gates an extra $1000 as a Christmas bonus.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Dark Avengers #13 talks about his powers.Not sure, haven't read X-Force yet unfortunately, will catch up later. But based on what I've read in Uncanny Avengers, it gives one the power to be the next in-line for the throne of Apocalypse.
Sentry is powerful, but adding the powers of Apocalypse should be a boost.
Wait so Apocalypse is above Sentry now??? 😕 😕 😕
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
watAnyway, Uncanny Avengers win due to plot device/context. Can't see Thor straight up beating an amped Sentry unless this is one of those 1/10 absurd high end feats display.
thats all it ever is to you sentry haters he shows a great display of power not even using a fraction of what hes capable of but its a 1 time absurd high feat haters will b haters
Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
thats all it ever is to you sentry haters he shows a great display of power not even using a fraction of what hes capable of but its a 1 time absurd high feat haters will b haters
What the phuck are you even talking about? 😂
I said that I don't see Thor beating an amped Sentry unless Thor pulls off some crazy 1/10 high end showing ala Celestials or something else insane to beat him.
Originally posted by byrdgang21As opposed to all the times people have speculated how Superman would do with a full day's sundip despite never having stayed in the sun so long, or giving Hulk the Power Gem even though he's never wielded it.
Well lets just wait and see what happens. Which is why I don't particurly like discussing characters before they even have feats as its complete speculation. But at the same time if I was a gambling man I'd bet that I won't be any more impressed by what Sentry does in this arc than what he has already accomplished.And just out of curiosity what kind of amp do see Sentry getting from Deathseed? How will it amp him? How does it work in general?
Seems like a worthless amp/addition to me. It's like giving Bill Gates an extra $1000 as a Christmas bonus.
It boosts their stats and/or gives them extra abilities. That's every single Horseman in the history of comics. Over two dozen, so far.
I'm sure being a Horseman was worthless to a dying Mindless Hulk who stopped Juggernaut in his tracks for the first time ever or it was worthless to Sunfire who can now emit flame in the vacuum of space or it was worthless to Archangel who phucking threw the Phoenix Force back at AoA Jean Grey.
Originally posted by ODG
As opposed to all the times people have speculated how Superman would do with a full day's sundip despite never having stayed in the sun so long, or giving Hulk the Power Gem even though he's never wielded it.It boosts their stats and/or gives them extra abilities. That's every single Horseman in the history of comics. Over two dozen, so far.
I'm sure being a Horseman was worthless to a dying Mindless Hulk who stopped Juggernaut in his tracks for the first time ever or it was worthless to Sunfire who can now emit flame in the vacuum of space or it was worthless to Archangel who phucking threw the Phoenix Force back at AoA Jean Grey.
Do you think that is more impressive than what Sentry/Void is capable of or has shown to do at his best?
On average how much would you say becoming a horsemen boosts one stats? One tier level, multiple tier levels? Or would you say it's more case by case and depends on the individuals pre existing abilities?
Also from what I remember, I'd say Hulk was the strongest character to become a Horseman and he's been proven to operate at higher levels than that w/o the amp. And again excuse me if I'm wrong but I don't really remember War Hulk with a bunch of new abilities. I remember him having some tech and being arguably stronger. But I could be forgotten as it has been a while.
I just believe that at some point there is a operating level where one wouldn't really benefit much from the "amp" you get from becoming a horseman. And I'd say that level starts when you are easily above Apocalypse level which everyone should agree Bob is.