Sage Battle!! Naruto vs Kabuto!

Originally posted by ichigo12
1. You said that because Pain killed Pa, why Kabuto couldn't. You are right, but the circumstances would be different. Naruto was with no Sage Mode, separated from Ma and Pa, and weakened. With Kabuto, if we count his analitical skills, he would immediatly attack Ma and Pa, but Naruto would be at full power, it won't be the same. With intelligence he can eventually found a weakness to Kabuto, and with SM enhanced abilities, he could defeat Kabuto. In a fight not just only brute force is the key to winning.

2. Rasengan says hello 😮‍💨. I suppose Naruto with SM can make a simple Rasengan, and while it will not defeat Kabuto, it would damage him. And even taking out the hand seals, the dragon needs to coil around the orb, and SM Naruto isn't a snail.

1. Yeah, you're right, they were different. But Naruto still leaves himself wide open when trying to protect someone else when he's in combat.
What weakness would Naruto find? Itachi and Sasuke had to use a broken tech to beat him as they couldn't find a weakness. If they couldn't, Naruto certainly will not. Compound this with the fact that Naruto has only 1 tech in his arsenal that could give him the win over Kabuto, which is the Toad's Genjutsu. Everything else could be avoided or nullified through regeneration.

2. Rasengan is instantaneous now? Even if it were instantaneous in being created (it isn't), Naruto still has to hit Kabuto with it. So no, it wouldn't work, just like the Hakugeki no jutsu apparently wouldn't work.
Kabuto can undo any damage Naruto deals thanks to his regeneration and Body Replacement technique. Sorry, Naruto isn't going to deal lasting damage to Kabuto unless he does something like bust his head or use a technique far superior to Rasenshuriken, like the Bijuu Dama, which he cannot as per your OP.

Kabuto uses one hand-seal to make the technique. In the time that Itachi (a character with speed at least comparable to SM Naruto) went a short distance towards Sasuke, the technique had already taken effect.

1. I don't think he would be wide open defending Ma and Pa as they are very close to him, and they can defend themselves also. Can Kabuto regenerate from being cut in half? To being totally smashed by Gamabunta's feet or being shredded to pieces by the massive weapons of the toads? Yeah he has Karin's healing techniques, but I doubt that being crushed will be regenerated.

2.If Rasengan is made with only one hand, 1 second is needed to it to appear, as Jiraiya did when he was training Naruto. But as you say, it won't be easy to hit him. But for Kabuto it would be even harder as the battlefield doesn't benefit him anymore. Naruto has fought Oro before, he knows his techniques, and as Kabuto is a copy of him, Naruto should be ready. And Rasenshuriken WILL damage Kabuto is it gets him.

No, Kabuto uses both hands for the technique. Lol at Itachi's speed being comparable to SM Naruto, he is nowhere near to Naruto. Hakugeki no Jutsu time to explode is like 5-6 seconds, enough for Naruto to get far away of the area of explotion.

Originally posted by ichigo12
1. I don't think he would be wide open defending Ma and Pa as they are very close to him, and they can defend themselves also. Can Kabuto regenerate from being cut in half? To being totally smashed by Gamabunta's feet or being shredded to pieces by the massive weapons of the toads? Yeah he has Karin's healing techniques, but I doubt that being crushed will be regenerated.

2.If Rasengan is made with only one hand, 1 second is needed to it to appear, as Jiraiya did when he was training Naruto. But as you say, it won't be easy to hit him. But for Kabuto it would be even harder as the battlefield doesn't benefit him anymore. Naruto has fought Oro before, he knows his techniques, and as Kabuto is a copy of him, Naruto should be ready. And Rasenshuriken WILL damage Kabuto is it gets him.

No, Kabuto uses both hands for the technique. Lol at Itachi's speed being comparable to SM Naruto, he is nowhere near to Naruto. Hakugeki no Jutsu time to explode is like 5-6 seconds, enough for Naruto to get far away of the area of explotion.

1. Too bad Ma and Pa have a tendency to leave Naruto when they try to attack.
Kabuto's body replacement tech allows him to regenerate from being cut in half or crushed, easily. Any Rasengan damage will be regenerated thanks to Karin's healing.
Naruto has no way to take down Kabuto outside of the Toad's genjutsu.

2. Prove that 1 second is all that is needed for Naruto to make it.
Minato can make it almost instantaneously. Jiraiya and Naruto cannot, and Naruto takes fairly longer than Jiraiya, as he needs a Shadow Clone to create Rasengan. So, no, Naruto is not fast at making the Rasengan.
SM Kabuto isn't a copy of Orochimaru in terms of fighting style, 😬 any more than Naruto is a copy of Jiraiya. Your logic is appalling. Even if you did have some semblance of a point here, Naruto has only seen Orochimaru fight seriously while he was in his 4 tailed form. He doesn't remember what happened. That alone destroys your ridiculous point.
Rasenshuriken will damage Kabuto. Rasenshuriken won't defeat Kabuto as Kabuto will regenerate. Cry moar please.

Lol at you thinking Itachi is nowhere near SM Naruto in terms of speed. Itachi has done stuff like outmaneuver Bee, hold his own against KCM Naruto in their brief tussle, and jump from the ground to Nagato's Giant Bird summon almost instantly.
Yes, you need both hands for 1 handseal, but 'handseals' denotes the usage of more than 1 handseal, not the use of 2 hands. 😐 Kabuto can make the hand-seal for Hakugeki no Jutsu faster than Naruto can create a Rasengan. 😐
30-45 seconds isn't enough for Naruto get far away from the area of the explosion, and Hakugeki no Jutsu is faster than Minato's Hiraishin. Yes, I too can make nonsensical claims with contradicting evidence. 😐

1. They won't leave Naruto's side, they need to supply him with natural chakra. If I remember well, Magen: Gama Rinshō didn't need Ma and Pa to separate from Jiraiya, why will they need to move from Naruto? Even though Ma and Pa separated from Naruto to use Senpō: Kawazu Naki, in that time they didn't need to be in Naruto's shoulder, but now, I don't see why they would move.
Kabuto resurfaces from his mouth, where would he reappear if all his body gets smashed? Not even the regenerating would save him because he needs to be conscious to use it, he needs his brain but it would be scattered around in pieces. If Rasenshuriken caughts him off guard, he will not have time to liquefy, and he dies as Rasenshuriken kills you with one blow.

2. Whithout counting the time needed to make the clone, the Rasengan appears instantaneously, and in SM, one simple Rasengan doesn't need a clone. Do you remember what Jiraya said or someone that the reason Naruto had trouble controlling his chakra was because of Kurama? He has the genes to be a really good chakra controller (Minato and Kushina both used seals, which take chakra control) so now that Kurama and him have become friends he doesn't need to use clones. Jiraiya can make a simple Rasengan instantaneously too so you can see Minato is not the only one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayF_lcjTrFo
Well, maybe not an exact copy, Kabuto's abilites are derived from Oro's techniques, as the same for Naruto and Jiraiya. And even though Naruto doesn't remember Oro's strongest techniques, in Part 1 he saw Oro fight Sasuke, he saw some basic techniques from him, and also the Battle of the Three Sannin, he saw some of his techniques, but very little as he passed out.
Dude, don't change my words, I said Rasenshuriken will damage Kabuto, but also it can kill him if he gets caught off guard as I said before.

Outmaneuver Bee? He just appeared behind him, almost any ninja can do that. Itachi and Naruto were using just taijustu, neither Itachi or Naruto showed fast speed. Lol, jumping high in Naruto is something normal, and Nagato wasn't high above, he was in peak-tree level.

The Rasengan doesn't need any seals, and in SM and Kurama as his friend, he doesn't need any clones. Rasengan appears faster than the Hakugeki no Jutsu.

As the final part in your post is irrelevant, no need to for argument.

so bascally, because the show is titled naruto, lets all calm down a agree that naruto would win with plot help, and saying no plot help allowed is like saying this fight features 2 characters from a show called kabuto...

Originally posted by Luffygear4
so bascally, because the show is titled naruto, lets all calm down a agree that naruto would win with plot help, and saying no plot help allowed is like saying this fight features 2 characters from a show called kabuto...

Originally posted by ichigo12
1. They won't leave Naruto's side, they need to supply him with natural chakra. If I remember well, Magen: Gama Rinshō didn't need Ma and Pa to separate from Jiraiya, why will they need to move from Naruto? Even though Ma and Pa separated from Naruto to use Senpō: Kawazu Naki, in that time they didn't need to be in Naruto's shoulder, but now, I don't see why they would move.
Kabuto resurfaces from his mouth, where would he reappear if all his body gets smashed? Not even the regenerating would save him because he needs to be conscious to use it, he needs his brain but it would be scattered around in pieces. If Rasenshuriken caughts him off guard, he will not have time to liquefy, and he dies as Rasenshuriken kills you with one blow.

2. Whithout counting the time needed to make the clone, the Rasengan appears instantaneously, and in SM, one simple Rasengan doesn't need a clone. Do you remember what Jiraya said or someone that the reason Naruto had trouble controlling his chakra was because of Kurama? He has the genes to be a really good chakra controller (Minato and Kushina both used seals, which take chakra control) so now that Kurama and him have become friends he doesn't need to use clones. Jiraiya can make a simple Rasengan instantaneously too so you can see Minato is not the only one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayF_lcjTrFo
Well, maybe not an exact copy, Kabuto's abilites are derived from Oro's techniques, as the same for Naruto and Jiraiya. And even though Naruto doesn't remember Oro's strongest techniques, in Part 1 he saw Oro fight Sasuke, he saw some basic techniques from him, and also the Battle of the Three Sannin, he saw some of his techniques, but very little as he passed out.
Dude, don't change my words, I said Rasenshuriken will damage Kabuto, but also it can kill him if he gets caught off guard as I said before.

Outmaneuver Bee? He just appeared behind him, almost any ninja can do that. Itachi and Naruto were using just taijustu, neither Itachi or Naruto showed fast speed. Lol, jumping high in Naruto is something normal, and Nagato wasn't high above, he was in peak-tree level.

The Rasengan doesn't need any seals, and in SM and Kurama as his friend, he doesn't need any clones. Rasengan appears faster than the Hakugeki no Jutsu.

As the final part in your post is irrelevant, no need to for argument.

1. Yeah, you're right in that they wouldn't need to leave Naruto's shoulders (they never left Jiraiya's shoulders), but not because they need to constantly supply him with Natural Energy. Sage Mode is like a charge. If they leave him for a couple of seconds, it won't end.
If they don't leave Naruto's shoulders, that just makes it easier for Kabuto to trap them in Genjutsu or in Kidoumaru's web. So either way, he can still take them out.
Wait you were talking about being crushed under Gamabunta's foot or by their weapons? Lulz. They're too slow to take out Kabuto like that. You must be quite desperate to satisfy your need to have Naruto win if you are suggesting such a tactic.
And if you're allowing Gamabunta and all the other giant toads, then Kabuto can simply summon Manda V2 to swallow Gamabunta and any other giant toad. They stand a little chance against Manda V2.
Highly doubt Rasenshuriken would hit him in the first place. Even Naruto Shadow Rasen-Shuriken tech wouldn't hit him. He can't use the same tricks he does in KCM either. So no.

2. Kurama doesn't actively mess with his chakra control to be a troll. His mere presence used to screw things up for Naruto. It's easily arguable that Naruto has great chakra control now that he's freely handing it out to ninja, but it's also easily arguable that Naruto still has average chakra control.
This is all irrelevant though. Naruto still needs clones/chakra arms even though he now has control over Kurama's chakra, & is friends with Kurama. He himself says as much, simply because that is how he learned to do it.
Even in KCM he needs clones or chakra arms to make a Rasengan. It's only his Tailed Beast mode that demonstrates the ability to make a Rasengan without a clone, and guess what, that isn't a trait SM has.

This is the most recent occurrence of Rasengan being used in Sage Mode.
Ergo, Naruto still needs a clone when he uses Rasengan in Sage Mode, until Kishi shows us otherwise.
Please don't bother coming up with more speculation regarding this. It'll just be ignored as this scan proves your stance wrong. Your leaps of logic have no place here. GTFO.

What? Jiraya took a second to create his Rasengan. If you think that is instantaneous, then I feel sorry for you. facepalm2 And again, Naruto =/= Jiraiya. Jiraiya is faster than Naruto at making the Rasengan, because Naruto uses a clone. You cannot ignore the clone aspect of Naruto's version of the tech at your whim.

Minato on the other hand, did this. In the time it took him and Tobi to cross a few inches at their ridiculous speed, his Rasengan was already formed. That is faster than what Jiraiya and Naruto have ever done.

All Orochimaru did in the Sannin battle was to elongate his neck and attack with his Kusanagi.
In the forest of death, he was more interested in testing Sasuke, so he just used snakes and speed.
While he did get to see Orochimaru's regeneration, it was just before he lost it and went 4 tails. I doubt Naruto took notice of it.
So lol at Naruto knowing Orochimaru's techniques. Seeing Kabuto perform them will be more beneficial to Naruto.

I never changed your words. Not that I need to, since your words and points seem to change with every post you make.
I simply stated the likely outcome of Rasenshuriken hitting Kabuto. It would damage Kabuto, but it wouldn't put him down due to his regen or liquefaction. Simple.

Lulz, even Sasuke couldn't get behind Bee, nor could Kisame. Or heck, even A. vin
Peak Tree level? He wasn't in the upper atmosphere, but he wasn't like 5 meters above the ground either. facepalm2 He's already been calced at hypersonic+ level, which is pretty much the same level as that of SM Naruto.

Doesn't matter if it 'appears' faster than Hakugeki no Jutsu. He still takes time to hit someone with it, and according to you, since Hakugeki needs a bit of prep, it won't work on Naruto. Ergo, Rasengan and any other tech in Naruto's arsenal will not work on Kabuto as they all need a bit of prep time, and Kabuto is faster than Naruto. You can't apply double-standards here. Doing so just shows your (obvious) bias.

Good. Then you must know that your Hakugeki no Jutsu takes 5-6 seconds bullshit is irrelevant as well, as it is incorrect. And considering SM Naruto thought 5 seconds was a very short interval...kruemelmonsteryn0

Anyway, I'm done with debating you on this. I've got better things to do than to repeatedly correct you and prove you wrong.

1. As you said, they don't need to, but they can. Depending on the situation they may or may not leave Naruto, they aren't stupids. Genjustu won't work, Kurama wakes Naruto up as Gyuki did with Bee. And Kidoumaru's web can be cut with chakra, and SM extends with chakra the fists, so Naruto can probably get out.
Desperate? Naruto can summon them whenever he wants to and use them to crush Kabuto.

Ok then, let's just go with what has been shown in manga and anime. So Naruto's Rasengan is slower, and he needs a clone. Any other thing I said that was supposition is wrong. Hakugeki>Rasengan is speed. But also your suppositions are wrong, like Manda V2 appearing in SM.
I know Kabuto can summon it while in SM, but as Naruto can do a Rasengan with one hand in SM, it hasn't been shown, so no Manda V2 but also no Rasengan with one hand. Basically suppositions are wrong here.
It would be hard to connect an Rasenshuriken, but if it does, it would make alot of damage, and before Kabuto heals himself, Naruto can give the finishing blow (Karin's healing isn't that fast to activate and heal).

2. Now Kurama as his friend, Naruto could control chakra better.
As I said before, Naruto need his clones for Rasengan. He can't use Bijuudama 'cause as you said, it isn't a SM trait.

Anyways, Minato's Rasengan is fast, but not instantaneous. Nothing, to our knowledge, moves faster than the speed of light, therefore, nothing can actually happen "instantly". I accept that I exaggerated with Jiraiya's Rasengan being instantaneous. Nothing is instant here, all does takes time.

Naruto will last long enough to see all of Kabuto's abilities (all of the abilities that has been shown) and counter them and MAYBE win.

If Rasenshuriken K.O's Kabuto, he will not be able to heal, he needs to be conscious to do it. And even if it does not kill him, Karin's healing techniques aren't instant, giving Naruto time to kill Kabuto.

Is casual to ninjas to appear behind their opponents, it is fast, but not like SM, and Bee knew Itachi was behind him, even though Itachi told him. And Nagato wasn't high, maybe not peak-tree level, but it wasn't hiighhh in the air.

See? Wasn't high.

You can't call me I'm biased now as I agree Naruto needs a clone, but obviously he won't use it to counter Hakugeki.

We don't know Hakugeki's speed until we see it in motion in the anime, we need to wait.

Sure, you can leave, no one forces you to stay, byee.

Wow you guys oviously have strong feelings about this, lol FACT-NARUTO WINS DOSENT NEED TO BE PROVEN ITS JUST HOW IT WOULD GO SO THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT IS ARELAVINT

Originally posted by ShadeSlayer15
Wow you guys oviously have strong feelings about this, lol FACT-NARUTO WINS DOSENT NEED TO BE PROVEN ITS JUST HOW IT WOULD GO SO THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT IS ARELAVINT

Actually, I think both of them would die or get K.O'd.

Originally posted by ShadeSlayer15
AGREED, HAHA they have been arguing this for the last three days damn. we all know Naruto would win doesn't matter how he just would....

No he wouldn't win. Naruto is my favorite character, but in these circumstances, Kabuto has too many weapons. He has an audible genjutsu that is faster than Naruto's. He has the Kimimaro bone techs, ET tech, several element techs, Karin's healing, and several others. His versatility after taking in everyone's DNA puts him at a crazy advantage if Naruto is limited to just sage mode. Naruto would be limited to frog kata, rasengan variants and whatever the Toads can do. Maybe if he spammed the big ball rasengan like he did against Kurama, but that's about it. Kabuto takes more often than not.

Originally posted by socool8520
No he wouldn't win. Naruto is my favorite character, but in these circumstances, Kabuto has too many weapons. He has an audible genjutsu that is faster than Naruto's. He has the Kimimaro bone techs, ET tech, several element techs, Karin's healing, and several others. His versatility after taking in everyone's DNA puts him at a crazy advantage if Naruto is limited to just sage mode. Naruto would be limited to frog kata, rasengan variants and whatever the Toads can do. Maybe if he spammed the big ball rasengan like he did against Kurama, but that's about it. Kabuto takes more often than not.

The OP removed ET, which honestly is as spitey as the addition of Bijuu mode would be.

Kidoumaru's Webs could be a surprising problem for Naruto unless he realizes he has to use Rasenshuriken to deal with them.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The OP removed ET, which honestly is as spitey as the addition of Bijuu mode would be.

Kidoumaru's Webs could be a surprising problem for Naruto unless he realizes he has to use Rasenshuriken to deal with them.

My bad then. It doesn't really matter though. The sound 4's techs, Karin's Healing, and Kimimaro's bone techs would make this unwinnable for Naruto. Not to mention the crazy damage soak for Kabuto due to his sage mode, Karin's healing, and Oro's skin shedding.

It would make a great distraction in order for Kabuto to use his sound genjutsu. That takes care of the frogs and Naruto all at once. Then all he has to do is kill them with the bone bullet things. Naruto would last a while because of his stamina and vitality, but kabuto, again, has way too much versatility to lose this fight for the majority.

I don't remember SM Kabuto having a genjutsu? What is it?

He has the sound ninja girls flute like sound genjutsu. It trapped both Itachi and Sasuke iirc.

I thought genjustu won't work, as Kurama would just wake Naruto up, no?

TRue, but it would at least take out the frogs, which would limit Naruto's abilities significantly.

I suppose SM Naruto has alot of chakra, and while Ma and Pa are trapped in the Genjustu, Naruto applies extra chakra to them, thus breaking the Genjustu, this is Genjustu Dissipation.

Why could it go either way? Here's why.

1.) Naruto, who is friends with Kurama now, wouldn't need Ma & Pa to help him gather Senjustu Chakra. He can have Kurama gather it for him in mere seconds as demonstrated in the Manga, or create Kage Bunshin to gather Senjustu Chakra for him while he fights.

Naruto is noted to have mastery of Sage Mode that surpasses both his Jiraiya and Minato, being able to quickly enter this mode in perfect balance unlike Jiraiya and likewise maintain and use it for long durations unlike Minato. He has, recently, shown the ability to enter Sage Mode in a very short time frame.

Kabuto has a similar ability to bypass Sage Mode's Weakness through the use of Jugo's cells to passively and continuously absorb natural energy without aid even when moving, allowing him to potentially maintain his Sage Mode indefinitely. In effect mimicking the effects of Mt. Myoboku's Toad Oil and the White Snake Sage's venom. So he also managed to bypass this weakness as well.

So neither one is really limited to Sage Modes weakness of having to remain still.

2.) Both Forms of Sage Mode have certain advantages that could possibly cancel each other out and even the playing field.

- They both can sense chakra around them and can sense attacks without the need to see them.

- Physical strength, speed, stamina, reflexes, perception, and durability are enhanced in both states.

-Both can manipulate the natural energy that surrounds them, turning it into an extension of their body to increase the reach of their attacks.

-Both gives certain advantages depending on which Sage animal taught them,

Kabuto can access further snake anatomy, such as their brille, which allows him to severely impair his opponents through the use of intense light while remaining completely unaffected. And infusing life into inanimate objects, such as the surrounding terrain, and manipulating them.

Naruto is able to utilise Frog Kata, a taijutsu style that uses the natural energy to enhance the range and the potency of one's attacks.

Also (I;m not sure about this mind you) they also maybe able to forcibly change their feet and legs to frog legs to increase jumping power, or enlarging their fist to the size of a frog of human size to make a stronger blow, as seen with Jiraiya (Though this maybe due to his only being in an Imperfected Sage Mode as opposed to a perfect one)

but after seeing Kabuto's abilities, I'm not sure whether perfect Toad Sages could do the same thing in perfect sage mode. But this is merely me making an educated guess based on what we know about two Sage Modes.
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That being said it would really depend on how they use their regular techniques while in Sage Mode and who can out smart the other during the fight. Both have shown themselves to be good battlefield tacticians.

So really it would be kind of a toss up who would win with these parameters. But the terrain would probably favor Naruto more than it would Kabuto.