Is needing or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?

Is needing or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?

Gods have no needs or wants that man can assuage. Gods are said to be so high above us that for any God to have such a need would be like man craving the adoration of germs.

I see us as just as foolish as germs and the creatures shown in this clip as we act the same way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4a_uwyY_H4

I can see where at one time it would have been profitable to bend the knee to King/Gods as in the original archetype city states, as used in the original Eden myth written by the Jews, but not today.

That myth I think was written from the following reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ9cvYB7Tes

Our present secular systems of governance have bested the Gods in the moral and legal senses and only the really right wing theists would want to live under the laws of the old barbaric Gods.

I am not an atheist and seek God to appease what I recognize as my spiritual side. But not to bend the knee or adore; just to improve any defect in my thinking; if I have one.

I know that there are way more followers out there than leaders but cannot fathom why someone would want to lower themselves to adore even a God unless it is strictly as a self-serving action that we hope God will recognize and reward.

That is hardly being good for goodness sake. God would know and send such hypocrites to hell. Which scriptures say is where the vast majority of us will end up regardless.

That means that you, even if you pray daily and hard, are likely going to hell along with most of those you know. In a sense, you should feel sorry for those few who make it to heaven as they must spend eternity watching their loved ones in purposeless torture. That would drive any moral person insane.

Gods have no needs or wants and has no rewards to give in exchange for what Gods have no need or want of.

The Godhead I know certainly disavows such a need or want.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkT1-N0VqUc

Why then, if you are a believer, do you need or want to worship a God if not for the reward you think it will bring you?

Is your need to adore a God a defect or benefit?

Regards
DL

There's evolutionary rewards. It's likely why we have a brain so inclined to belief in the first place.

Your question is also lopsided: "Hey believers? Is your belief a defect?" Find me anyone who will answer that in the affirmative. Justifications vary, but no one's going to truthfully answer that with a yes.

Religious belief was naturally selected for humans.

Originally posted by Digi
There's evolutionary rewards. It's likely why we have a brain so inclined to belief in the first place.

Your question is also lopsided: "Hey believers? Is your belief a defect?" Find me anyone who will answer that in the affirmative. Justifications vary, but no one's going to truthfully answer that with a yes.

Yes. It is hard to gat believers to tell the truth.

You may be right with your last but it does invite non-believers to tell believers what they think.

What is the evolutionary reward in believing in what is not real and adoring a God who does not care or need that adoration?

Regards
DL

Benefit

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Religious belief was naturally selected for humans.

Selected by -------?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNSe4Ff57n4&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Yes. It is hard to gat believers to tell the truth.

You may be right with your last but it does invite non-believers to tell believers what they think.

What is the evolutionary reward in believing in what is not real and adoring a God who does not care or need that adoration?

Regards
DL

There are books that deal with this topics more thoroughly than we could ever hope to. I'd encourage you to seek them out.

But, to attempt a summary, the main idea is that belief allows us to ignore that which we dont understand or can't explain. In our early evolutionary days, this would have the advantage of letting our ancestors focus on, say, hunting, instead of why they exist. Existentialism and survival couldn't always coexist like they can in modern civilization.

Our predilection for seeing patterns also plays a role, and also has evolutionary benefits. Seeing patterns in the clouds, weather, etc. and surmising a "mover" behind them (i.e. God) is an offshoot of seeing patterns in, say, the movements of grass or sounds in a cave, which would have aided enemy detection and thus survival.

The pattern thing actually helps explain a lot more than just God. It's an intrinsic factor in the widespread belief in all sorts of supernatural or paranormal phenomena.

It must be sad to go through life without believing in a Creator Who loves us so much that He would save your sorry ass in spite of your short comings.

Okie 💃

Why then, if you are a believer, do you need or want to worship a God if not for the reward you think it will bring you?

I serve ( worship ) Great Father Yahweh because I want to.
Looking at this deceived world I can understand there has to be far more to life than this stage.
I read and study the Scriptures and I believe what is written in them.
I could do as you do and doubt that such a book had the truth written in it, but I know better.
History proves the Scriptures to be 100% true.
Sad that you don't believe and understand that fact.

What would help you more than anything is to find out who or what God is.

Here is a great place to start.

http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_Lord-God.pdf

Okie

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Selected by -------?

...

Regards
DL

Are you telling me that you don't know what natural selection means?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you telling me that you don't know what natural selection means?

A tool of Jesus. *hur hur*

Originally posted by Okieshowedem
It must be sad to go through life without believing in a Creator Who loves us so much that He would save your sorry ass in spite of your short comings.

It's not. But you'd know nothing about that. You're just judging a perspective other than your own based off of erroneous assumptions and some condescension.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you telling me that you don't know what natural selection means?

I thought about calling him out on this as well. But if we're that far gone, what's the point of even discussing with him?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He does. He just injects Jesus in wherever he can. It kinda makes him a tool.

A tool of Jesus. *hur hur*

Let me see if I can understand this: so you are saying that this other guy is using Jesus as a dildo?

...that's true faith!

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Yes. It is hard to gat believers to tell the truth.

You may be right with your last but it does invite non-believers to tell believers what they think.

What is the evolutionary reward in believing in what is not real and adoring a God who does not care or need that adoration?

Regards
DL

They'd have to believe that having that kind of belief in the first place is a defect.

Good look proving that it factually is one, though.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Let me see if I can understand this: so you are saying that this other guy is using Jesus as a dildo?

...that's true faith!

You know I have put a lot of thought into such a thing. I came up empty handed until one day I noticed something about my grandmother and mother. Whenever they have problems they always both say "God wont give you more then you can handle". Their beliefs alone sort of takes a stress off their backs. It gives them a sort of confidence that they can "handle it" that is unwavering. So if any form of god is real or not I believe it can be a benefit to people. Though some can certainly make it seem like a bad thing. Though it is my experience in dealing with people in general that everyone takes the same info and interprets it however they want.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
You know I have put a lot of thought into such a thing. I came up empty handed until one day I noticed something about my grandmother and mother. Whenever they have problems they always both say "God wont give you more then you can handle". Their beliefs alone sort of takes a stress off their backs. It gives them a sort of confidence that they can "handle it" that is unwavering. So if any form of god is real or not I believe it can be a benefit to people. Though some can certainly make it seem like a bad thing. Though it is my experience in dealing with people in general that everyone takes the same info and interprets it however they want.

That's a common defense: religion helps them deal with life, or does good, etc. etc.

But here's the thing: your mom and grandma saying that, and then being relieved of stress somewhat, means that they were both capable of reducing stress just by changing their thought patterns. The relief had nothing to do with God or even religion, but their intrinsic ability to cope.

Do you think that would go away if you stripped them of religion? No, of course not. They'd find other ways to be resilient. Because the ability to have that confidence is unique to the person, not some outside force granting them the power.

Now, it might not be initially easy, but one of the biggest misconceptions of irreligion is that a lot of good would go away. It would not, because it was all human-generated to begin with. Our ability to find meaning, overcome challenges, find joy in life...it's an intrinsic quality, not dependent on an institution.

Now, it might not be initially easy, but one of the biggest misconceptions of irreligion is that a lot of good would go away. It would not, because it was all human-generated to begin with. Our ability to find meaning, overcome challenges, find joy in life...it's an intrinsic quality, not dependent on an institution.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Religious belief was naturally selected for humans.

Originally posted by Astner
Actually, what was naturally selected was our curiousness and desire for answers, religion came afterwards to to sate demand.

I don't know what you mean by "to sate demand".

Let’s get a definition here:

Religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

We are not just talking about Christianity.

Religion gave early humans an advantage that is why it exists today. I believe religion, in some form, goes all the way back to the very beginning of humanity.

I believe if you made a world where there was no religion; it would only be a matter of time before new religions would appear from the common people. This is what happened before; therefore it is reasonable to believe it would happen again.

Religion in its most basic aspect is natural. The problems with religion are caused by humans.