Solar Man of Atom vs Lucifer Morningstar

Started by Mr Master2 pages

^^ I read ya friends, but if Michael is really "God's power"
and Lucifer tanked his attack,
then does this not = to the Presence attacking Lucifer, and Luc taking it?

In other words,
what makes the Presence more powerful (power-wise speaking) than Michael
if he is his power personified?

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ I read ya friends, but if Michael is really "God's power"
and Lucifer tanked his attack,
then does this not = to the Presence attacking Lucifer, and Luc taking it?

In other words,
what makes the Presence more powerful (power-wise speaking) than Michael
if he is his power personified?

Good question.

Michael is God's power, as Lucifer God's will. Lucifer's power, if you will, is the ability to shape God's power to his whim (well, he was created to shape his power to God's plan).

The fact that Lucifer exists clearly shows that Michael can't control or shape his demiurgic power. Perhaps God, as a true omnipotent capable of shaping the power, could overwhelm Lucifer (he could certainly depower or erase Lucifer from existence in the first place). But Lucifer was created specifically to handle and shape infinite power, so overcoming that is...uncertain for sure.

There is no precedent for Lucifer actually tanking the Demiurgic creation blast rather than protecting himself using multiversa scale energy manipulation, especially when he performed the same feat several issues later, even while being in a severely depowered/weakened/injured state.

Yahweh has both the will and the power unlike Michael and Lucifer, each of whom has one but lacks the other.

when the titan brothers usurped the power of yahweh (presence) they were completely immune to michael's and lucifer's power, despite the fact that they didn't even have presence's full power.

michael's power is nowhere near the presence nor is lucifer's.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ I read ya friends, but if Michael is really "God's power"
and Lucifer tanked his attack,
then does this not = to the Presence attacking Lucifer, and Luc taking it?

In other words,
what makes the Presence more powerful (power-wise speaking) than Michael
if he is his power personified?

Who says he's God's power, though?

Presence flat out said he didn't actually need them, and was essentially trying to create a protege. All we know is Michael had enough power to create a universe/multiverse, but this says nothing to how his power level stacks against Presence himself... Logically, it's not likely Presence would have created a being that matches or exceeds his own power (Though I grant there's precedent for this, like Galactus with Tyrant. And for that matter, Synarr was near gods power, but only by absorbing creation...)

Originally posted by Cogito

The fact that Lucifer exists clearly shows that Michael can't control or shape his demiurgic power.

Elaine Belloc with her fathers full power shaped her own universe, though.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
There is no precedent for Lucifer actually tanking the Demiurgic creation blast rather than protecting himself using multiversa scale energy manipulation

No precedent? It happened on panel. I know you've seen it. You could try to say that Lucifer warped Michael's power around him rather than tanking it, but you'd certainly have no proof other than your opinion.

Originally posted by operator616
when the titan brothers usurped the power of yahweh (presence) they were completely immune to michael's and lucifer's power, despite the fact that they didn't even have presence's full power.

michael's power is nowhere near the presence nor is lucifer's.

Of course the titans were immune to their power, they (almost) became God himself. They were no more capable of being hurt than God would be. It would be foolish to claim that God could be harmed by Michael and/or Lucifer.