Originally posted by KingD19
But Kingpin fights guys like Spider-Man. Joker's skill doesn't make up for the gap in stats.
That doesn't hold any water since Spidey sometimes gets nerfed when he fights Kingpin. He forgets his powers.
This is current Kingpin (not classic).
Spidey has fought enemies that would make Kingpin shit his pants.
Spidey has moved so fast he blitzed the shit out of very fast opponents.
Kingpin has 0 superspeed.
Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't hold any water since Spidey sometimes gets nerfed when he fights Kingpin. He forgets his powers.This is current Kingpin (not classic).
Spidey has fought enemies that would make Kingpin shit his pants.
Spidey has moved so fast he blitzed the shit out of very fast opponents.Kingpin has 0 superspeed.
What does that have to do with anything? The Joker is outclassed in every arena here. Fisk is a very skilled MMA fighter, with the strength of a couple Oxen. Joker goes down quick.
Originally posted by StoicNo he isn't. Kingpin just has freakish strength.
What does that have to do with anything? The Joker is outclassed in every arena here. Fisk is a very skilled MMA fighter, with the strength of a couple Oxen. Joker goes down quick.
Originally posted by the DarkoneCap didn't have a butcher knife.
Classic Kingpin defeated Captain America, so yeah Kingpin rage stomps the Joker
Kingpin ftw.
Trained fighter with some impressive showings for a non super powered character. Joker's best stat is prolly his damage soak/pain tolerance and his somewhat bersekerish/adrenaline bursts, but I don't think it will matter in the end.
On another note does anyone know if Joker has ever been trained in fighting or use of weapons?
Like Two-Face was by Batman and Deathstroke (pre Flashpoint).
I'm asking out of seer curiosity on where Joker actually stands as a melee or armed opponent.
Originally posted by SamZED
Doubt anyone would survive a training session with him. Yet he somehow pwned Batman with a knife iirc.
Yeah I agree, it would be just cool to see him actually prepare physically for a fight. It would make some of his showings more understandable.
Also which fight are you referring to?
Originally posted by comicfan11I think it was the first issue of Batman in DCnU. The one where he gets his face cut off. Not sure I got the context right.
Yeah I agree, it would be just cool to see him actually prepare physically for a fight. It would make some of his showings more understandable.Also which fight are you referring to?
Originally posted by h1a8
Joker is quite skilled with a knife. I say he get in a good couple of stabs to the neck for some serious damage.
How the heck is he going to get a knife up to Fisk's neck without first dying? This is not a contest. Fisk has had his moments with Spiderman, nuff said. If someone is going to argue that Joker has a chance, we migh as well not have debate threats.
Thanks for the replies guys.... 👆
As for the thread, as has been mentioned, the Joker has amazing damage soak/pain tolerance, and as has been seen in the DCU reboot, he is extremely skilled with a knife...
Now I am not saying that the Joker wins every time, but I think this fight is alot closer than some might think...
My gut says Fisk wins maybe 6/10...