Originally posted by ares834Nah, Black Widow >
And yet, she was still more interesting than any other super heroine we have had in any films.
Oh, you said "interesting", I thought you said "well written".
Well, as far as interesting goes... I guess pretty much every super heroine we've had is more interesting than her.
Black Widow was barely a person in the Avengers and especially Iron Man 2.
She is actually a person in Captain America 2. One of the reasons I'm glad they didn't have her hook up with Steve, the two of them have a fantastic buddy-cop chemistry with one-another.
Compared to Hatahway and Bale, who's relationship in their movie was as forced and hamfisted as Lois and Clark's in MoS. mmm
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I doubt that. The casting wasn't just for MOS2, it was for a future WW Franchise and to be the Poster Girl for DC superheroes on the big screen for years to come. So I really doubt the casting decision was all down to Snyder.That's always a possibility when you have a great actor/actress.
That's why I personally don't moan and groan about Jesse being Lex. Because he's a great actor and might just end up owning the role.
I don't think she'd be there if Snyder didn't want her, tbh. He's more valuable to DC's universe than she is, I would guess.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Not really. IMO she was nothing special
she might not have looked the part, but she ****ing owned the character better than anyone ever has. She got the spirit of Selina down. Even for me, who hated the idea of her even being cast, I thought she was far better than i'd expected.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Again to me Gal is thinner than all of those you mentioned. My first choices were Adrianne palicki(done right) or Gemma Arterton who IMO would have been amazing.
Arterton was my first pick, tbh.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Nah, Black Widow >Oh, you said "interesting", I thought you said "well written".
Well, as far as interesting goes... I guess pretty much every super heroine we've had is more interesting than her.
Nah, not even close. The only movie Black Widow was even mildly interesting was in Cap 2.
Ya really, Catwoman contributed absolutely nothing to the film, existing as little more than a mouth-piece for Nolan's anti-capitalism trash and as a trophy for Bruce Wayne's happy ending. No goals, no insight to any hobbies or interests or likes or dislikes (besides rich people!), no quirks, no chemistry with Bale, no personality to actually speak of. She barely registers as a character compared to Natasha.
"Two movies dragging her down" means what, exactly? Sounds like an arbitrary criticism to me. Yeah, she was shit in Iron Man 2 and was little better in Avengers. Implying Captain America 2 doesn't exist.
Um, what? Catwoman did plenty in TDKR. Not to mention she transitioned from rouge to a (semi)heroic character by the end of the film. Frankly, she is every bit the character BW is. I mean, hell, most of those criticisms could be applied to BW as well.
And "two movies dragging her down" means exactly what it says. BW is 1 for 3 so far when it comes to movies. If we look only at TWS, sure, she is a fun character with some small amount of depth, but looking at all three... Nah. The two previous films are rather detrimental as she is just so dull in them.
What did she contribute to TDKR?
Transition? She went from a bitter (I hate rich people) person to a slightly less bitter (I hate rich people but not you Batman... because I love you for no reason) person, and she didn't do it because of any events that actually occurred within the movie, she did it because the plot says she did.
Who cares? I wasn't aware characters had "GPA's" where you weigh them across a timeline. It's because they don't. Trying to use the first two movies to gloss over her writing in the third movie is silly nonsense.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
What did she contribute to TDKR?
Killed Bane, opened the tunnel, got Batman captured, etc... What did BW contribute? Quibs? Well, Catwoman said a few as well.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Transition? She went from a bitter (I hate rich people) person to a slightly less bitter (I hate rich people but not you Batman... because I love you for no reason) person. How is that a character arc?
More of a character arc than BW has.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Who cares? I wasn't aware characters had "GPA's" where you weigh them across a timeline. It's because they don't. Trying to use the first two movies to gloss over her writing in the third movie is silly nonsense.
U mad? I'm looking at the entirety of the character.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Regarding Black Widow, even in Cap 2, I wish she would cut down on the snarky smartass quips and attitude a bit. It's not really ringing true to the character.
I don't know what Widow you're read. She's not cold & emotionless like the Punisher or something. She has some sass, and wasn't pure comic relief like Kat Dennings in the Thor movies.
Kevin Smith recently said this about the Batsuit.
As you may remember, I saw a photo of the Batsuit many months ago, and many people asked online, ‘Is that the picture you saw?’ No, that is a very cool picture, but that is not the picture I saw.They put it on a fake rooftop, and they lit it up. But it was in color, and you could see every piece of detail. So I’ve seen some people online go, ‘Why is this f***ing suit any different than the Chris Nolan Batsuit, it’s all one f***ing color.’ It’s like, ‘Dude, that’s a monochrome photo. You know what that means, one chrome.
That’s not a representation of what the suit looks like. So what the suit looks like, and I was always kind of keeping it quiet until they revealed it, but they’ve revealed it. And you can kind of see, and anybody that…you’ve seen some people take the picture and color it online. If you want to see what this f***ing suit looks like, you just go to Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns, go to the third book, Hunt the Dark Knight…it’s the exact f***ing outfit he’s wearing.
That’s why I hugged that guy all those months ago.
And possible
Spoiler:
I will put this to you. What if it’s one of a few Batmobiles? What if that’s one of a few outfits in the movie? I suspect that’s the case.
Originally posted by ares834
Killed Bane, opened the tunnel, got Batman captured, etc... What did BW contribute? Quibs? Well, Catwoman said a few as well.
She recruited Hulk, discovered Loki's plan, punched the brainwash out of hawkeye, saved countless lives during the battle of New York, closed the ****ing portal, took down Hydra by making it public etc...
That's more than some quips.
Black Widow > Anne Hathaway in leather suit
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Widow is more of a serious character and shes never really been glib. If you find me a scan similar to her, "hey sailor" line in cap 2, ill concede the point lol
Widow has long had a fun, teasing relationship with Daredevil, well highlighted during the Bendis years. It's part of making a good buddy-cop kind of dynamic - when one of them is more old-fashioned and stoic (like Steve Rogers), make the other one more glib and modern. This version of Widow in The Winter Soldier has more fans, media and Marvel brass talking about her headlining a movie of her own than ever before.