WB to announce Superman/Batman & JLA movies

Originally posted by roughrider
I think Zack Snyder's highest praised movie was his first, the remake of Dawn Of The Dead. It's in the low 70% on RT. Watchmen had the weight of expectations, and whatever it's virtues it could not be for movies the groudbreaker it was for comics.

Ah forgot about DOTD.

Honestly I have no idea why WB not only chose Snyder for their biggest DC project in BvS but were so committed to him doing JL as well.

Replace the JL movie with The Flash movie I say. Let the Universe grow organically, and for goodness sake stop leaving your biggest and most important projects to Snyder.

Not everyone was a fan of Christopher Nolan's style, but there would be more confidence if he was still involved. But no, they keep hitching their wagon to f***ing Zack Snyder and his overkill style.

They had Joss Whedon in the fold once upon a time. Imagine what could have been if they just let him do his job. But, you know... 🙄

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ah forgot about DOTD.

Honestly I have no idea why WB not only chose Snyder for their biggest DC project in BvS but were so committed to him doing JL as well.

Replace the JL movie with The Flash movie I say. Let the Universe grow organically, and for goodness sake stop leaving your biggest and most important projects to Snyder.

Nolan chose Snyder. He revived Batman, but killed two chances of starting the DCCU. His Batman was too precious to be shared with anyone and he hired Snyder shortly after he did Sucker Punch, who isn't competent enough to make a good movie, let alone a universe.

I thought Man Of Steel was pretty good; not great, but for a modern day Superman (for those who thought the Chris Reeve era was old and time to move on from), it was fine. Was shocked by the conclusion of the Superman-Zod fight, but I was okay with it in story terms.

But I did go in with lowered expectations, hoping Nolan had Snyder muzzled to an extent. He did - but that's not the case anymore.

Originally posted by Femi32
A reboot would make the most sense with a new creative crew, but it also requires time to wash away the bad taste. I would hate for them to recast Superman. I truly wouldn't mind everyone else outside of the Dwayne Johnson getting the boot.

My other concern would be the creative crew. Are they going to continue treating DC like an incompetent subsidy or are they going to actually allow them to make sure these movies are good? The WB way clearly doesn't work.

Edit: PLEASE DON'T SAY DECADE! I just turned 30 and the thought of waiting that long for a good DCCU is severely depressing.

If they reboot then I don't even care anymore. It would be 5-10 years minimum. Wouldn't care, too much to enjoy from Marvel.

Originally posted by roughrider
I thought Man Of Steel was pretty good; not great, but for a modern day Superman (for those who thought the Chris Reeve era was old and time to move on from), it was fine. Was shocked by the conclusion of the Superman-Zod fight, but I was okay with it in story terms.

But I did go in with lowered expectations, hoping Nolan had Snyder muzzled to an extent. He did - but that's not the case anymore.

I didn't think the movie was awful. It had its good parts, but it also had the jarring ones you couldn't ignore. It needed to be fleshed out more. I knew the sequel would be in trouble unless someone stepped in to lend a helping hand. Goyer getting the boot meant nothing.

I really liked MOS. Didn't mind the tone change or getting away with the old style Supes at all.

However I was always against Snyder doing BvS and JL. BvS needed to be a big improvement on MOS, but from the sounds of things it's a step down 🙁

Originally posted by Femi32
I didn't think the movie was awful. It had its good parts, but it also had the jarring ones you couldn't ignore. It needed to be fleshed out more. I knew the sequel would be in trouble unless someone stepped in to lend a helping hand. Goyer getting the boot meant nothing.

We thought that helping hand was Ben Affleck and his Argo screenwriter coming on board; that's when the release date began to fluctuate.

Directors the main guy in making a movie work tbh.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Directors the main guy in making a movie work tbh.

Yes, but the right producer can have an influence. We don't have that this time around, it seems.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
It is worth noting that it's early and we haven't seen the bulk of critics' reviews yet.

My expectation is that by the end of BvS' run its score will probably hit the mid-60's to low 70's.

It continues to slide backward; now at 34% approval.

Originally posted by roughrider
It continues to slide backward; now at 34% approval.

I will still see it, unless the rating drops to Fantastic Four levels. I had lowered expectations because of Zack Snyder.

Originally posted by roughrider
I will still see it, unless the rating drops to Fantastic Four levels. I had lowered expectations because of Zack Snyder.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I tried warning the DC fans such as Darth Thor. A few days ago he was singing its praises and now prior to seeing it he's lost complete faith. At least wait and see the film since you spent all this time saying how great it's going to be. I just don't get fairweather fans who overreact before seeing something they had faith in.

The overreaction is from acknowledgement with the previous film's flaws, knowing there is no way critics are wrong on this since the reviews are too low and it's the same critical backlash from the previous film, and realizing your dreams to see a cohesive, high quality, DCCU are crushed yet again.

I spent a lot of time on this site arguing that WB needed to take their time building up to Justice League and that they needed Bruce Timm or someone similar to him to make sure things were going in the right direction. There were disagreements on those things and it was argued that WB were making the right decisions.

Sigh.

I also agree you shouldn't rush into this but the fanboys want this so badly they don't think a cohesive plan matters. Marvel laid the groundwork for years while DC was like here we ****ing go. Off to the races.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I'd say the opposite. It reflects the opinions of those few who pride themselves in having "higher taste".

Pirates of the Carribean is a beloved franchise (except for the last one), and critics slam those movies hard. So they really don't agree with the masses.

I just don't like RT at all

people rely on that site too much.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I also agree you shouldn't rush into this but the fanboys want this so badly they don't think a cohesive plan matters. Marvel laid the groundwork for years while DC was like here we ****ing go. Off to the races.

You'll get desperate when you can't get what you want. I told my friend this is what it's probably like to be a Cleveland sports fan.

Originally posted by Femi32
The overreaction is from acknowledgement with the previous film's flaws, knowing there is no way critics are wrong on this since the reviews are too low and it's the same critical backlash from the previous film, and realizing your dreams to see a cohesive, high quality, DCCU are crushed yet again.

I spent a lot of time on this site arguing that WB needed to take their time building up to Justice League and that they needed Bruce Timm or someone similar to him to make sure things were going in the right direction. There were disagreements on those things and it was argued that WB were making the right decisions.

Sigh.

Hey might still be a good/fun film, (even if it is decisive) but will clearly be no Avengers.

I think pretty much everyone agreed (aside from perhaps Golgo) that they shouldn't rush into Justice League, and that BvS should concentrate on Batman and Superman and not risk setting up the Justice League in 1 film at the expense of the film.

Did nobody learn from TASM2 and IM2 (even though I didn't mind IM2 but it was a big step down from the first).

Wow I haven't seen the film yet. And Already the critics are giving it harsh reviews on RT 🙁 Still! I'm going to watch BVS this Saturday. Reviews are great and all, but its better if I watch it in order to confirm if the reviews were right or wrong.

I just found this in the RT Discussion forum.

http://forum.rottentomatoes.com/topic/show/1994061

All the haters are marvel fan boys

Someone is campaigning to actually get this movie into an 85% to 90% rating. I wonder who it is 🙄