Originally posted by marwash22
he punched a crater in the moon, not a hole; and i don't see why Jean couldn't do the same if she concentrated her power into one blast like he did.Also she has TP, and Todd doesn't.
Ramona specifically called it a hole. "He punched a hole in the moon for me." Even if it wasn't an actual hole, it was a huge crater and beyond what any Avenger showed power wise.
Also when she said they "wrecked stuff", it looked like he demolished a town.
And she can't do the same because she never demonstrated power on that scale. Holding back the water from a collapsing dam for a few seconds doesn't equal punching a hole in the moon.
Also Jean's telepathy is a moot point. She not once used it in combat situations.
They probably put up more of a fight, but Jean has shown absolutely no defenses. And between Todd's TK and his guitar. He also seemingly possess teleportation on top of speed. I don't see her being able to do much. And she'd be a detriment to her own team because she was killing everyone.
And it was clear she was Dark Phoenix. She turned Phoenix in X2(you could see it in her eyes when she held back the dam), then in X3 she looked like she was dead and had the creepy black eyes and started killing everyone. There's a very clear distinction.
Also Mar, Todd does have telepathy. He tells Scott he can read his thoughts, then starts speaking in his mind.
ahhhh yeah, you're right about his TP. Forgot about that. Doesn't matter tho, her TP is much stronger.
in a forum fight she wouldn't go after her own team... but who cares if she doe kill her team, that's not against the rules, and Todd would die with them.
Also, Jean did show offensive tp. She kept Nightcrawler from using his powers at the end of X2, she also kept Scott from using his powers (that, or she simply held his beam back and kept him from unleashing it... don't recall the details), and in "The Last Stand" she was far more powerful than Prof X, who casually controlled the minds of dozens of people at once.
Jean would just keep Todd from using his powers, then turn him into vegan dust.
Originally posted by marwash22
ahhhh yeah, you're right about his TP. Forgot about that. Doesn't matter tho, her TP is much stronger.in a forum fight she wouldn't go after her own team... but who cares if she doe kill her team, that's not against the rules, and Todd would die with them.
Also, Jean did show offensive tp. She kept Nightcrawler from using his powers at the end of X2, she also kept Scott from using his powers (that, or she simply held his beam back and kept him from unleashing it... don't recall the details), and in "The Last Stand" she was far more powerful than Prof X, who casually controlled the minds of dozens of people at once.
Jean would just keep Todd from using his powers, then turn him into vegan dust.
Considering his speed(not sure if he's just uber fast or can teleport) and the slow speed of her disintigration wave, I doubt she could even hit him with it. Especially since he can read her mind.
She didn't keep him from using his powers with TP, she used her TK to keep him in the seat. Just like she used it to catch him in the beginning and hold him in the air.
I think she just held his beams back when she killed him, and against Xavier, she again used telekinesis, shown when she floated him into the air and exploded him.
Her telepathy wasn't really showcased much at all.
And I doubt she can stand up to a moon punch from a guy who can see what she's about to do and can move faster than she can.
He wasn't trying to mindrape her. He was talking to her with telepathy and get her to agree to letting him fix what was wrong with her. That's why he said "Let me in." She was blocking him with her TP, but he wasn't trying to overpower her.
And after that was when she picked up the house and disintegrated him.