Originally posted by h1a8He did draw blood from Reed, happened during civil war. Not sure how consistent that is with Reed though.
Spidey has a feat were he stomps the ff in moments. I think he hits blood from Reeds face (I forgot).
Originally posted by Zack FairWell, in one if the older books Reed did go to Otto for help. Not to mention Ock's recent showings against Stark, Modok and Pym. 😎 Also he hacked the SHIELD helicarrier with ease. Could've sank it if he wanted to.
Agreed.Unless Otto finds a way to show his superiority and punk Reed.
Spider-Man has been my favorite character for many, many years.
But I've got to be objective.
Mr. Fantastic has a history of fighting the Sub-Mariner hand-to-hand and giving a good account of himself. In fact, if memory serves, Reed had an episode or 2 where he took on the bulk of Atlantis's armed forces AND Namor, and still gave a good account of himself.
And this was back in the 1960s.
If Reed could stalemate an opponent more than four times as strong and durable as Spider-Man even 50 years ago, what exactly is there to suggest Pete (Otto) could do anything to him now by grappling with him?
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I need to know what the original poster has in mind.
I don't understand why New York is being specified if hand-to-hand means even impromptu snatched-from-the-environment-on-the-spur-of-the-moment resources cannot be used. If such is the case Reed wins 9/10 and I don't see how Spider-Man could avoid loss by strangulation or choke out.
On the other hand, if specifying New York means Otto-Parker can gradually move the fight to a place with say, cannisters of gas, or liquid nitrogen, or some physical resource he can use to nullify Reed's natural advantage, then I can see a nearly even split, or, quite possibly, a slight Spider-Man advantage.
Verdict:
Pure hand-to-hand: Reed
Hand-to-hand, out of webbing, no prep but environmental resources permissible: Otto