Originally posted by BloodRain
But how will they deal with hobbits?
GORON HUG.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteMan thats creepy, though could be worse...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Pea9mzerAGORON HUG.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteTB crushes Twilight Princess into the pavement.
So you admit that TB on it's own cannot take TP?Nukes are not a hurdle anyone in the modern world has faced since WW2. The vampires certainly haven't. They've faced guns, sure, but Zelda has rocks more deadly than guns, so lol.
No, Zelda does not face faster weapons than guns. A world of arrows and slow magic.
Originally posted by BloodRainThe bigger enemies won't ever hit the vampires as they are too slow.
Noooo your post summed up is "humans have guns, vamps are fast".. You want me to focus on the force behind velocity? Okay. A 12 stone mass moving at a speed of what, 200mph? The force in that is the equivalent of throwing 7 tons at human speed :BMagic? Gorons and TwiBeasts take bombs to the face with the former being able to survive Link's slashes to the gut. Bosses need more force then these to to bring down. How magical are explosions and slashes again?
No, the avgVamp are threatened by things below bullets. Far below bullets, with humans still getting the chance to tag them. Unless you're saying that nothing in the war will even touch any vampire..?
Saying "vamps tear through Gorons" is not an argument, its a baseless claim with nothing to support it. A made up guess.
If that were true you would be taking into account the 6 other armies in this thread and how/how long the vamps would survive, as I've already done.
Weak bombs. Nothing in the landscape seems to be destroyed. Wolf teeth finish the Shadow Beasts off. It's like saying hey that guy shrugged off the force behind punches and that plugging his nose and mouth won't kill him. We see it is hard to kill the last two around the same time.
Humans use basically weaponry or weakness exploitation to get them. Vampires>>>humans.
We see they are made of flesh. We see they can be injured. Strength does not equal durability or that they cannot be hurt.
I did take into account the other armies. TB vampires are faster and they ar not alone here.
Originally posted by The ScenarioI am saying that is what they have to deal with not it being a viable tactic here.
Speed isn't the only factor factor here. Yes, vampires are pretty fast, we have established that and we all know it. Considering all the other factors, though, it is not a game changer.Take the Gorons, as BloodRain is doing. They resist bomb blasts, they resist strikes from Link's super strength, even with a sword. An average Goron wasblasted from a volcano. So they're extremely durable. They can punch through meters of rock, so they're extremely strong. The only drawback being that they're slow.
Now take vampires. Their biggest asset is speed, but their other attributes leave something to be desired. Strengthwise, they can throw human weight around, and on average can hurt or kill humans pretty easily. So they're pretty strong, but nothing to a Goron. On durability, vampires are consistently human level with good regeneration. However, decapitation and such still kills them. Again, on the survival front they're pretty good but nothing compared to a Goron's tanking ability.
The conclusion one comes to is that a vampire could likely dance around a Goron all day without ever getting hit, but the moment they try to hit a Goron unarmed they pulp their own hands. It'd be more or less a draw until something changed, like the vampire getting tired, hungry, or incinerated by the sun.
A vampire trying to fight a Goron is basically a mosquito fighting a rock. Absolutely nothing happens.
Oh, you're using things that True Blood vampires never faced, their side doesn't have access to, and was never relevant to this thread at all to prove something completely tangential. Got it, thanks.
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Modern Earth would have some sever difficulty with the twilight, too. But that's another topic altogether.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Weak bombs. Nothing in the landscape seems to be destroyed.
False.
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Wolf teeth finish the Shadow Beasts off.
Weakness explotation. 👆
We see they are made of flesh. We see they can be injured. Strength does not equal durability or that they cannot be hurt.
Super durable flesh that tanks bombs and swords. No one claimed that Gorons can't be injured. It's just that vampires haven't shown enough strength to injure Gorons.
Originally posted by The ScenarioMagic is required not just the teeth. Wolf cannot finish them off outside Midna's help. I guess by your logic that is a poor showing for the Triforce of Courage that he needs her help.
False.http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Zelda/tpbombarrows_zps2b3e65a8.gif
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Zelda/tpbombs_zps9a966b9d.gif
Weakness explotation. 👆
Super durable flesh that tanks bombs and swords. No one claimed that Gorons can't be injured. It's just that vampires haven't shown enough strength to injure Gorons.
Yes, they can. Bees can harm us yet we outweigh them and are vastly stronger. Your whole ridiculous stance of stronger no one can harm you is so unbelievably asinine I can't believe you still try to pedal it.
Try to factor the strength advantage a human has over a bee, the speed in which they fly, compare their weights, and then factor in Russell's speed, strength, weight, velocity and say he can't harm them.
It's awful and unsupported. The whole he has unquantifiable strength feats no one can harm him is shit.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Magic is required not just the teeth. Wolf cannot finish them off outside Midna's help. I guess by your logic that is a poor showing for the Triforce of Courage that he needs her help.
Nah. Wolf Link actually can take them with a spin attack, it's just difficult to do. And as we see, Wolf Link's bites easily take them out, they just revive after. Bombs apparently don't even do that much.
Yes, they can. Bees can harm us yet we outweigh them and are vastly stronger. Your whole ridiculous stance of stronger no one can harm you is so unbelievably asinine I can't believe you still try to pedal it.
I don't think you quite get how stingers work, or how easy to pierce human flesh actually is. It's based on size, surface area specifically. You should know that the smaller the surface area, the less force is required to pierce things. You know Pounds Per Square Inch, right? PSI? Well, decreasing the surface area increases the PSI, even if it's the same amount of force being applied.
Stingers are tiny. That's the entire reason they work, same with needles or scalpels requiring less force to pierce than, say, a knife. But lets try this your way. Can a bee pierce plate armor despite the strength difference? Can it pierce a rock? This is what we're talking about. Goron flesh is demonstrably stronger than rocks. Until you can prove a bee can string through a rock, vampires can't get through Gorons.
Try to factor the strength advantage a human has over a bee, the speed in which they fly, compare their weights, and then factor in Russell's speed, strength, weight, velocity and say he can't harm them.
I have. The conclusion is the same. Barring an allergy, a single bee can't really kill a human. Well, mostly that's because a bee's barbed stinger rips its own guts out so it can only sting once, but still. Your metaphor fails to get the point across. Mosquito vs. rock. That's much more accurate.
It's awful and unsupported. The whole he has unquantifiable strength feats no one can harm him is shit.
What? I'm not talking about strength feats. I'm talking about durability feats. That is, Gorons tank bombs and volcanoes. No vampire has ever shown strength matching that level of power.
Do you think Russell could harm Superman? Think on your answer, and then ask, "why?" Does the reasoning have to do with Superman tanking things that are stronger than Russell? Now, apply that argument to the Gorons. They have tanked things stronger than Russell.
What is the problem here?
Originally posted by quanchi112
The bigger enemies won't ever hit the vampires as they are too slow.Weak bombs. Nothing in the landscape seems to be destroyed. Wolf teeth finish the Shadow Beasts off. It's like saying hey that guy shrugged off the force behind punches and that plugging his nose and mouth won't kill him. We see it is hard to kill the last two around the same time.
Humans use basically weaponry or weakness exploitation to get them. Vampires>>>humans.
We see they are made of flesh. We see they can be injured. Strength does not equal durability or that they cannot be hurt.
I did take into account the other armies. TB vampires are faster and they ar not alone here.
Excellent. Humans being able to use things like silver/wood weaponry on vamps means the can get the chance to do so. Meaning many opponents above the likes of a human can get that opportunity.
When did you in any reply? Because I know you wont just say "the hundreds of vamps are fast, so nothing will ever touch them here", seeing as you're so opposed to wanking one single trait and all. My post entails how the vamps and TP beings interact with others. Like how TP has the means to take down LotR trolls, elephants or Jack's giants, when the TB/VD strength would have troubles. Or how while TP wont be evading all too much, their impressive durability will mean they can wade through most of the action, while vamps human durability means getting tagged, which can happen, means they're done for. Gorons will survive longer, Gorons will take down more creatures.
The fact is that there are two major things in play for this war; Who can take out more and who can survive the longest.
TwiBeasts and Gorons severely outmatch the average TB/VD vampire in terms of strength. Surviving really comes down to speed and durability, in this instance its blitzing humans vs tanking bombs. We known which is going to help survive the longest out of the two.
-Glory will need top tier TB, while Willow and Sweet will bring many down with their mind control.
-Deacon and Drake are both on the level of Billith, so above any single TB vamp.
-Gorons, TwiBeasts, Light Spirits, Link, Zant, Ganondorf, Midna, Darknuts, about a dozen other bosses all with high resistance and high output.
-Giants will put in dents. Not the most durable but it will be a challenge for avgVamp, especially with their strength advantage.
-Even with these vamps and weres, below higher tier beings to a point where only the top 3 TBs can handle them.
-The Balrog, Ents, ghost army, trolls, the Mûmakil, Witchking, Fellbeasts and Shelob. All things which even the strongest vamps would struggle with, add to that the thousands via armies.
What does the hundred or so TB vamps have as an advantage over all of these things? They're faster than the human eye can track, and thats all. Every verse will put their survivability to the test.
