Originally posted by Badabing
Well someone like KMC Rhino wouldn't suddenly be smart. But Superman wouldn't forget he had speed and such.Oh, and shut up. sneer
That's right, I'm extra bastardly and despicable today. badawe
Not really what I'm thinking of.
To me, bloodlust is something like, anger at it's most, where a character stops caring about anything but the death of their opponent, but at the same time is somewhat emotionally compromised because of how angry they are. Like Superman in Sacrifice, but less handicapped.
CIS-Off, to me, is say, Superman fighting Imperiex probes or the Elite and having that cold detachment that basically ends up with him trolling his enemies by utterly destroying them more casually than he really should.
If people want to define them as interchangeable (the terms, not the mental states), though, that's fine with me.
Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah I don't think they are the same either.CIS is essentially us controlling them
Bloodlust is the character in a rage and morals off type deal.
CIS on = forum avatar?
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
That's what we're trying to figure out.
Originally posted by -K-M-A part of me just died. 🙁
Only bloodlust I know
Originally posted by -Pr-Then post what you think you drunk Irish bastiche!
Not really what I'm thinking of.To me, bloodlust is something like, anger at it's most, where a character stops caring about anything but the death of their opponent, but at the same time is somewhat emotionally compromised because of how angry they are. Like Superman in Sacrifice, but less handicapped.
CIS-Off, to me, is say, Superman fighting Imperiex probes or the Elite and having that cold detachment that basically ends up with him trolling his enemies by utterly destroying them more casually than he really should.
If people want to define them as interchangeable (the terms, not the mental states), though, that's fine with me.
CIS on = forum avatar?
That's what we're trying to figure out.
Originally posted by marwash22
I don't shut up, I grow up, and when I look at you, I throw up. ahah
And then your mother goes around the corner and licks it up.
I actually PMd Bada and Digi about the precise definition of bloodlust since people in the Movie Versus and All Versus have been throwing it around.
Basically, all CIS and morals are off, yes? It should mainly apply to heroes?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Not really what I'm thinking of.To me, bloodlust is something like, anger at it's most, where a character stops caring about anything but the death of their opponent, but at the same time is somewhat emotionally compromised because of how angry they are. Like Superman in Sacrifice, but less handicapped.
CIS-Off, to me, is say, Superman fighting Imperiex probes or the Elite and having that cold detachment that basically ends up with him trolling his enemies by utterly destroying them more casually than he really should.
If people want to define them as interchangeable (the terms, not the mental states), though, that's fine with me.
CIS on = forum avatar?
That's what we're trying to figure out.
This.
Re: Bloodlust Defined
Originally posted by BadabingBloodlust should mean that the character fights however he fights in comics when he is bloodlusted. That will mean different things for different characters. Therefore, it ought to be a concept wholly divorced from CIS and CIP. And that should be obvious when it comes to seeing how bloodlust affects various characters.
Please post your opinion on how bloodlust should be defined.Obviously the characters are going all out. Does this mean that characters such as Superman vs Thor fighting would go for a kill even though that may not be in their character since both are "good guys"? Would this mean CIS, CIP and morals are not part of the battle?
Let me know how you all want bloodlust defined in the rules.
If it's Wolverine, he's one step away or already in berserker rage and going for the brutal kill. It's pretty much the peak of his fighting performance, barring the odd instance where he calmly out-kung fu's some mystic martial arts assassin master at his own game or one shot pressure points Kid Gladiator. And he can go berserk against anybody, including villains and heroes. So you can see a bloodlusted Wolverine as not being inhibited by CIS or CIP.
If it's Thor, he's not holding back his punches or power and might be one step away from, or already in, Warrior's Madness. But not holding back his power doesn't mean he'll start busting out all his powers. Bloodlusted Thor ain't commanding Mjolnir to fly and speedblitz a foe repeatedly at ftl speeds even though that might be the most brutally efficient way to stomp an opponent. He'll just rush Hulk head-on and fight him on his terms. But he is the kind of character who has lost his temper against both friend and foe (usually due to plot) and has come close to killing them. So you can see a bloodlusted Thor as not being inhibited by CIP, but still being bound by CIS, i.e., not using his huge array of powers.
If it's Hulk, well... it just pushes his rage to highs from the get-go. But that doesn't necessarily mean he'll reach the peak of his power. He was pretty bloodlusted throughout World War Hulk, brutally one-shotting people, even his own cousin, She-Hulk. But it turns out he was still holding back an insane level of power. So you can see a bloodlusted Hulk still being bound by both CIS and CIP. Just less CIP than usual.
If it's Punisher, well... he's pretty much always bloodlusted all the time; this just might add a white hot rage inside him but it probably wouldn't make much of a difference. Guy's not prone to holding back, unless it's against a good guy. But that is a clear line he doesn't cross. Even when he loses his temper against Daredevil/Spidey, he's not aiming to kill. Heck, he's not even trying to maim them. So you can see a bloodlusted Punisher's typical CIS or CIP as not being affected at all by bloodlust. Same could be said for most murderous villains/vigilantes. Like any Doomsday incarnation that hasn't grown a conscience, Doomsday's always bloodlusted. You could even make the argument that a bloodlusted Punisher will be a less efficient killer, he might want the guy to suffer because he really hates him, so Castle'll eschew quick, clean headshots and go for slow, agonizing, painful deaths.
Then you got someone like Daken. Yes, he's already a brutally efficient murderer and sadistic. But when he gets especially angry? He can end up fighting sloppy. When he first fought Deadpool, he schooled Wade calmly and effortlessly. Then Wade mocked him for being a Wolverine wannabe, struck a nerve and Daken lost it. And he lost his edge against Deadpool and started getting embarrassed. So you can see a bloodlusted Daken as being affected by CIS even more than usual, if not CIP. He's not alone. Mandarin, for instance, fights like an idiot when he loses his sh1t.
There shouldn't be a homogenous single standard that transforms every character into behaving the same, relative power notwithstanding. Because that's really not how it works in comics.
Re: Re: Bloodlust Defined
Originally posted by ODG👆
Bloodlust should mean that the character fights however he fights in comics when he is bloodlusted. That will mean different things for different characters. Therefore, it ought to be a concept wholly divorced from CIS and CIP. And that should be obvious when it comes to seeing how bloodlust affects various characters.If it's Wolverine, he's one step away or already in berserker rage and going for the brutal kill. It's pretty much the peak of his fighting performance, barring the odd instance where he calmly out-kung fu's some mystic martial arts assassin master at his own game or one shot pressure points Kid Gladiator. And he can go berserk against anybody, including villains and heroes. So you can see a bloodlusted Wolverine as not being inhibited by CIS or CIP.
If it's Thor, he's not holding back his punches or power and might be one step away from, or already in, Warrior's Madness. But not holding back his power doesn't mean he'll start busting out all his powers. Bloodlusted Thor ain't commanding Mjolnir to fly and speedblitz a foe repeatedly at ftl speeds even though that might be the most brutally efficient way to stomp an opponent. He'll just rush Hulk head-on and fight him on his terms. But he is the kind of character who has lost his temper against both friend and foe (usually due to plot) and has come close to killing them. So you can see a bloodlusted Thor as not being inhibited by CIP, but still being bound by CIS, i.e., not using his huge array of powers.
If it's Hulk, well... it just pushes his rage to highs from the get-go. But that doesn't necessarily mean he'll reach the peak of his power. He was pretty bloodlusted throughout World War Hulk, brutally one-shotting people, even his own cousin, She-Hulk. But it turns out he was still holding back an insane level of power. So you can see a bloodlusted Hulk still being bound by both CIS and CIP. Just less CIP than usual.
If it's Punisher, well... he's pretty much always bloodlusted all the time; this just might add a white hot rage inside him but it probably wouldn't make much of a difference. Guy's not prone to holding back, unless it's against a good guy. But that is a clear line he doesn't cross. Even when he loses his temper against Daredevil/Spidey, he's not aiming to kill. Heck, he's not even trying to maim them. So you can see a bloodlusted Punisher's typical CIS or CIP as not being affected at all by bloodlust. Same could be said for most murderous villains/vigilantes. Like any Doomsday incarnation that hasn't grown a conscience, Doomsday's always bloodlusted. You could even make the argument that a bloodlusted Punisher will be a less efficient killer, he might want the guy to suffer because he really hates him, so Castle'll eschew quick, clean headshots and go for slow, agonizing, painful deaths.
Then you got someone like Daken. Yes, he's already a brutally efficient murderer and sadistic. But when he gets especially angry? He can end up fighting sloppy. When he first fought Deadpool, he schooled Wade calmly and effortlessly. Then Wade mocked him for being a Wolverine wannabe, struck a nerve and Daken lost it. And he lost his edge against Deadpool and started getting embarrassed. So you can see a bloodlusted Daken as being affected by CIS even more than usual, if not CIP. He's not alone. Mandarin, for instance, fights like an idiot when he loses his sh1t.
There shouldn't be a homogenous single standard that transforms every character into behaving the same, relative power notwithstanding. Because that's really not how it works in comics.
I went back and looked at the forum rules. For some reason I thought bloodlust was always supposed to be on in threads, so I just adopted my own view on how it's been viewed.
For years. hmm
But yeah, if it's separated then basically supremely pissed off and willing to kill. Like Pooperman against WW for example.
