Originally posted by Astner
From what I read, sexual orientation is an outlet for one's psyche. Foot fetishism and homosexuality were reflective of the aforementioned, whereas pedophilia and zoophilia implied a more psychotic mindset.
Originally posted by Bardock42
This claim is not supported by reality.
Originally posted by Astner
Yes.From what I read, sexual orientation is an outlet for one's psyche. Foot fetishism and homosexuality were reflective of the aforementioned, whereas pedophilia and zoophilia implied a more psychotic mindset.
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When I started gazing at pretty girls when I was 12, I was really expressing an outlet for my psyche.
Originally posted by Bardock42
This claim is not supported by reality.
Originally posted by Master Han
...When I started gazing at pretty girls when I was 12, I was really expressing an outlet for my psyche.
We're discussing how abnormal sexual orientations correlates to low self-esteem.
Originally posted by Astner
No that's the consequence of a hormone rush, and while that in itself can be considered a psychological outlet it's not the psychological outlet we're discussing.
Uh, no, it's not a "psychological outlet", it's the body's evolved mechanism for producing offspring and therefore passing on genetic material... 😕
We're discussing how abnormal sexual orientations correlates to low self-esteem. [/B]
And how would you test this? What studies have been performed to substantiate that homosexuality is biologically caused by low self esteem, while taking into account the self-fulfilling prophecy that societal homophobia will result in many gay people being bullied and therefore having self esteem issues?
And since you label being gay as the effect and not the cause, would making people "convert" from being gay won't get rid of the cause, low self esteem, which is [allegedly] the real problem. Homosexuality itself being "perverse" is arbitrary and irrelevant; who cares about victimless actions that you subjectively deem to be wrong in some manner?
Originally posted by Master Han
Uh, no, it's not a "psychological outlet", it's the body's evolved mechanism for producing offspring and therefore passing on genetic material... 😕
Originally posted by Master Han
And how would you test this? What studies have been performed to substantiate that homosexuality is biologically caused by low self esteem, while taking into account the self-fulfilling prophecy that societal homophobia will result in many gay people being bullied and therefore having self esteem issues?
Originally posted by Astner
We're discussing how abnormal sexual orientations correlates to low self-esteem.
No, we're discussing if sexual orientation correlates with self-esteem.
You seem to be thinking of something like "ego-distonic homosexuality" which was ultimately removed from the DSM. The typical treatment for ego-distonic disorders, going back to Alfred Adler at least, is affirmative therapy not curative therapy. Telling people "being gay is not a bad thing" or getting them out of poisonous environments works much better than trying to force a change.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No, we're discussing if sexual orientation correlates with self-esteem.You seem to be thinking of something like "ego-distonic homosexuality" which was ultimately removed from the DSM.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The typical treatment for ego-distonic disorders, going back to Alfred Adler at least, is affirmative therapy not curative therapy. Telling people "being gay is not a bad thing" or getting them out of poisonous environments works much better than trying to force a change.
Originally posted by Astner
The term psychological outlet is a generalization of the term emotional outlet. The desire to procreate is sustained by hormones, hence a response to this desire would be an emotional outlet, and thus a psychological outlet.
If you wish to base your argument off such ridiculously broad definitions, then obviously "sexual orientation is an outlet for one's psyche", to the point of being almost tautological.
The way you phrased it made it appear as though one's sexual orientation is supposed to reflect some hidden psychological outlook on life.
By examining people who've changed sexual orientation from homosexuality to heterosexuality. If a great number of the subjects admit that they turned to homosexuality in a period of self-loathing then it's safe to assume that one's self-esteem may influence one's sexual orientation.
So...I'm assuming that you have some studies to show us?
Originally posted by Astner
The diagnostic category of "ego-dystonic homosexuality" was removed from the American Psychiatric Association's DSM in 1987 (with the publication of the DSM-III-R), but still remains in the DSM-IV under the category of "sexual disorder not otherwise specified" including "persistent and marked distress about one’s sexual orientation”.
Which, you will note, says nothing about "perverse" or "abnormal" sexualities.
Originally posted by Astner
How?
You want me to explain to you why you shouldn't reinforce, explicitly or implicitly, the stressors that have that have caused a person serious psychological distress?
There is freedom in Jesus Christ from homosexuality.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=583683&pagenumber=1#post14427173
Originally posted by Master Han
What if I think Jesus is hot...
Tell me, when you see Jesus up on that cross, and can't help but think, that he looks kind of hot / Do you want to get down on your knees and start pleasing Jesus? Feel his salvation all over your face?
Originally posted by Raisen
why are so many cases of pedophilia male on male? I'm not suggesting anything, it just seems odd.
You have the statistics on this? Might just be a case of confirmation bias, unless this claim is substantiated.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm pretty sure he's a sock troll...so I've been avoiding his posts lest I get in trouble, again.
That's the default assumption with most new members, so your caution is well-founded. But I don't recall anyone with his posting tendencies. Doesn't mean he isn't a sock, but the habits don't match...at least not yet.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is freedom in Jesus Christ from homosexuality.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=583683&pagenumber=1#post14427173
There's also freedom if you're a dude and just happen to like girls. No Jesus necessary.