Qui Gon Spirit Plot Hole

So it's suggested in moments in AotC that Qui Gon can appear wherever the f*ck he wants, spy on people without their knowing (Yoda only was able to detect him in deep medication sessions, possibly with his permission), etc.

Why couldn't he just spy on Palpatine and figure out that he's a sith lord? Or do the same to Dooku?

Just another PT plot hole, I guess.

Originally posted by Master Han
So it's suggested in moments in AotC that Qui Gon can appear wherever the f*ck he wants, spy on people without their knowing (Yoda only was able to detect him in deep medication sessions, possibly with his permission), etc.

Why couldn't he just spy on Palpatine and figure out that he's a sith lord? Or do the same to Dooku?

Just another PT plot hole, I guess.

good question.

makes me think back to esb when luke was leaving dagobah and obiwan told him that he couldnt get involved if he rushed to face vader. maybe he wasnt just being a dick and could genuinely not help because of some dark-side interference? well thats my best guess.

oh wait i forgot. while quigon was present during the tusken raider slaughter, yoda was not able to converse with him until the end of ep3. so perhaps quigon did know but did not know how to tell anyone.

The ghosts have to obey the plot constraints of GL.
And perhaps Quigon was unable to penetrate the haze of the dark side caused by the Sith lords.

It's almost as if those movies didn't make any sense.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It's almost as if those movies didn't make any sense.

Originally posted by Vensai
GL's interference was probably unbalancing the Force and preventing QuiGon from doing anything rational.

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Quigon didn't find the path to immortality until the end of Ep 3. Yes, the dark side stops obi wan and Yoda from spying in ROTJ. Who really knows what they can do as force ghosts. Remember in ESB, Luke called on Obiwan to help him after he fell through cloud city. Obiwan didn't help. I think that they just do what is necessary for actual living force beings to save the galaxy and perhaps are limited on what they can do

Originally posted by JediRobin23
Yes, the dark side stops obi wan and Yoda from spying in ROTJ.

Originally posted by Master Han
So it's suggested in moments in AotC that Qui Gon can appear wherever the f*ck he wants, spy on people without their knowing (Yoda only was able to detect him in deep medication sessions, possibly with his permission), etc.

Why couldn't he just spy on Palpatine and figure out that he's a sith lord? Or do the same to Dooku?

Just another PT plot hole, I guess.

That was my same complaint about ESB and RotJ regarding Obi Wan.

What you refer to as a "PT plot hole" is actually an OT plot hole carrying over. 🙂

But here's your answer:

Originally posted by JediRobin23
Quigon didn't find the path to immortality until the end of Ep 3.

So there is no PT plot hole regarding that. Just an OT one.

Originally posted by JediRobin23
Quigon didn't find the path to immortality until the end of Ep 3.

You hear his voice in AotC, while Yoda is meditating during Anakin's first episode of killing women and children. He's clearly capable of "spying" on Anakin, so IDK why he couldn't do the same to Palpatine.

I put in the DVD to make sure. Is an interesting point: If Quigon learned the path to immortality sooner.During Yodas meditation in AOTC you here Qui gons voice saying "Anakin.....Anakin", Cant make out who's saying "Nooo" right afterwards. Kinda sounds like Yoda saying 'Nooo'. Movie Flow of the PT makes it seem Quigon didn't learn it until Yoda tells Obiwan in EP 3. If Quigon and Yoda knew it earlier, Why wouldn't Yoda train all the Jedi's at or near that time?
I think it is just to explain why there is force ghosts like Obiwan, Yoda, Anakin in the OT and EP 3 was the best place to explain it

It's supposed to be Qui-Gon yelling No. And I think they used stock audio from TPM for the Anakin! Anakin! The whole ghost immortality thing never made much sense beyond plot convenience. You're dead now... be a ghost.

F*ck, alright I guess.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It's supposed to be Qui-Gon yelling No. And I think they used stock audio from TPM for the Anakin! Anakin!

You're correct: it was Qui Gon's voice from TPM. It most definitely was not Qui Gon's voice speaking as a force ghost to Anakin and Yoda was eavesdropping.

Neeson probably refused to come in and record a single word of dialogue.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Neeson probably refused to come in and record a single word of dialogue.

IIRC, that was actually the case.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20566981_84364,00.html

The rumor was...TPM was such a horrible experience for him that he almost quit acting over it.

"Lucas sympathized with Neeson's complaint: ''(Film) is a director’s medium, there’s no question about that. Once an actor goes on stage, he’s pretty much free to do whatever he wants. But in film, you can change the performance through the editing process and hopefully make it better." Ouch!"

"Lucas is notorious for not being an 'actor's director.'"

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
"Lucas sympathized with Neeson's complaint: ''(Film) is a director’s medium, there’s no question about that. Once an actor goes on stage, he’s pretty much free to do whatever he wants. But in film, you can change the performance through the editing process and hopefully make it better." Ouch!"

"Lucas is notorious for not being an 'actor's director.'"

In Lucas' defense (I do that a lot, teehee), that's very desirable for an actor. In film, you can make the performance look better than it seemed in the original selected shot: audio manip, effects, cinematography, and so forth.

For those of you who might object, do you think Clint Eastwood's monologue in Dirty Harry about "make my day" would have been as awesome if it was shot from behind at 20 meters without zoom? Exactly. He might have had his hand in a stupid position which would make the shot seem less serious (on his belt, halfway in his pocket, clenching it, etc.).

^but the deficiencies in Lucas's direction become evident when you look at the Prequel Trilogy's laughable, almost pathetically wooden dialogue. Now, I understand that the Republic is supposed to be a stiff, formal, almost Shakespearean society...but this is no excuse for how the characters act in entirely informal settings, where they're supposed to make us care about them. And it's not as though he cast poorly...Neeson is usually a pretty solid actor, but in TPM I often forget that he's even the one playing Qui Gon.

This is why Ian McDiarmid and (no, really) Hayden Christensen do the best in the prequels. They actually feel like they're alive. Ewan Mcgregor can also alter his voice's intonation on occasion.

Originally posted by Master Han
^but the deficiencies in Lucas's direction become evident when you look at the Prequel Trilogy's laughable, almost pathetically wooden dialogue. Now, I understand that the Republic is supposed to be a stiff, formal, almost Shakespearean society...but this is no excuse for how the characters act in entirely informal settings, where they're supposed to make us care about them. And it's not as though he cast poorly...Neeson is usually a pretty solid actor, but in TPM I often forget that he's even the one playing Qui Gon.

Hayden Christensen does what he does best in the prequels, wooden dialogue Ewan Mcgregor and Ian McDiarmid are stand out actors

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