Pre Reboot Black Adam vs DCNU Superman

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Your scan shows Powergirl getting pimp slapped around...

Not sure why you think PG > BA

And the Superman vs CM fight had superman getting punched away twice, and the second time with Diana on CM's back.

Superman makes it a competitive fight, but i'd give the edge to Bladam for now.

Shazam punched superman twice with magically amped punches and superman basically shrugged it off and then floored him with a punch. Wonder Woman was useless in that fight.

Superman would punch adam's teeth in here.

Originally posted by carver9
Black Adam beat PG while depowered. ABHI statement is false.

He said Powergirl was stronger, not overall more powerful nor a better fighter, it's different.

Guess your blind hate for all-things Abhi made you too blind to realize that 😱

Originally posted by JBL
Do you understand what DC data base means?? It said that black adam is normally considered just as strong as superman BUT and i say it again... BUT some WRITERS ( notice the s meaning more than one ) show BA to be stronger than superman and Captain marvel. This is just what this place needs, another rabid superman fan. Poor superman has enough scan twisting fans already. I feel sorry for superman sometime. 😉

again how the hell does it serve your opinion that adam is stronger? first of all big fail for using internet sources instead of feats.
second of all even your sources are stating that at the best adam was in world war 3 he was an equal and even then he was amped.
by feats can you present any notable feats that put adam above superman? because i think you got confused in your own statements.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say that. There is no proof Superman is stronger than Adam just like there is no proof Adam is stronger than Superman. Goes both ways, sport.

you were defending the statement of JBL, his statement was that black adam is stronger, if you are going to jump a wagon and defend someone make sure you read and understand his statement first and for all.
otherwise you might end up looking bad like right now.

Oh my god, what kind of crap is this?

Pre Reboot Black Adam absolutely MURDERSTOMPS DCnU Superman.

DCnU Superman is getting way too much credit, because of his Earth lifting feat, which is nonsensical by the way! But let's go with it and say that it is legit!

Strength does not equal striking power and the new Superman's striking power is nothing Black Adam could not take.

1. Here we have Superman saying that he has to take an opponent out fast, which should mean that he was not holding back that much:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2757692-superman_zone_013.jpg

The narration says that the attack could topple a small mountain.

2. Here we have Superman stating that he can level mountains with his bare fists:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3218216-2013-07-24+07-32-50+-+superman+%282011-%29+022-004_%E7%9C%8B%E5%9B%BE%E7%8E%8B.jpg

3. Here the narration says that he is not holding back and that his punch can topple mountains:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/79345/2913208-superman__17___page_9.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111116419/3061211-the+true+power+of+superman+%28part+2%29.jpg

4. Here he is enraged, because he just killed someone (or at least he thinks so) and he delivers a punch to the ground, which levels the area - similar to leveling a small mountain one would assume:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3182403-justice+league+of+america+%282013-%29+006-007.jpg

I'm telling you that Black Adam can take such an amount of punishment and that he most likely can dish out more than the new 52 Superman can handle.

Outside of the insane Earth lifting feat, where I could bring up arguments against it, but I won't, because it's still a high showing for Superman and that's fine ... he doesn't have much else which would speak for him if you face him up against the much more powerful and durable Pre Reboot powerhouses.

Pre Reboot Superman would stomp DCnU Superman judging by his encounters and overall feats and the same applies for Black Adam.

So your argument is that Superman should be reduced to mountain level, while Adam should be somehow equaled to Pre Reboot Supes who has shattered planetoids on panel.

Yeah, kind of not getting this, unless I assume there is some double standard going on.

No, my arguement is that new DCnU characters should not be put against more powerful Pre Reboot characters, just because.

And let's not go overboard here with the planet destruction. The instance you most likely have in mind was a moon and not a planet and Superman needed to gather speed to increase his impact in order to destroy that moon and when he destroyed it, it knocked him out cold.
Superman's damange output is not on pair with some other characters, like it or not.

And I'm still not taking anything away from that feat, since it's still amazing, but in the end of the day he still stands massivly above DCnU Superman thanks to all of his other feats. Black Adam of course does not have the same high level feats, but it's still more than enough to take out DCnU Superman.

The same applies for all the other characters. Who would ever put Pre Reboot Wonder Woman versus DCnU Wonder Woman? DCnU Wonder Woman would get stomped and if anyone actually believes that DCnU Superman beats Pre Reboot Black Adam, especially considering Superman's high vulnerability to magic (much higher than Pre Reboot as we've seen) then the bias is strong within that one.

Preboot Bladam

Originally posted by Enzeru
Oh my god, what kind of crap is this?

Pre Reboot Black Adam absolutely MURDERSTOMPS DCnU Superman.

DCnU Superman is getting way too much credit, because of his Earth lifting feat, which is nonsensical by the way! But let's go with it and say that it is legit!

Strength does not equal striking power and the new Superman's striking power is nothing Black Adam could not take.

1. Here we have Superman saying that he has to take an opponent out fast, which should mean that he was not holding back that much:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2757692-superman_zone_013.jpg

The narration says that the attack could topple a small mountain.

2. Here we have Superman stating that he can level mountains with his bare fists:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3218216-2013-07-24+07-32-50+-+superman+%282011-%29+022-004_%E7%9C%8B%E5%9B%BE%E7%8E%8B.jpg

3. Here the narration says that he is not holding back and that his punch can topple mountains:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/79345/2913208-superman__17___page_9.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111116419/3061211-the+true+power+of+superman+%28part+2%29.jpg

4. Here he is enraged, because he just killed someone (or at least he thinks so) and he delivers a punch to the ground, which levels the area - similar to leveling a small mountain one would assume:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3182403-justice+league+of+america+%282013-%29+006-007.jpg

I'm telling you that Black Adam can take such an amount of punishment and that he most likely can dish out more than the new 52 Superman can handle.

Outside of the insane Earth lifting feat, where I could bring up arguments against it, but I won't, because it's still a high showing for Superman and that's fine ... he doesn't have much else which would speak for him if you face him up against the much more powerful and durable Pre Reboot powerhouses.

Pre Reboot Superman would stomp DCnU Superman judging by his encounters and overall feats and the same applies for Black Adam.

Characters and narration say that on panel all the time. In fact Thor's mightiest blows in secret wars was like tapping on a mountain. That doesn't mean shit. In fact when he was punching H'el the same mountain busting punches were sending shockwaves to earth's core and watchtower in upper atmosphere and the scientist which measure his strength specifically stated that his strength was higher than "his previous measured strength" which was the earth lifting scene.

Now "earth lifting"<<<mountain busting just because narration said so? Apply some common sense. Oh, I forgot you are a sentry fanboy.

Originally posted by Enzeru
No, my arguement is that new DCnU characters should not be put against more powerful Pre Reboot characters, just because.

And let's not go overboard here with the planet destruction. The instance you most likely have in mind was a moon and not a planet and Superman needed to gather speed to increase his impact in order to destroy that moon and when he destroyed it, it knocked him out cold.
Superman's damange output is not on pair with some other characters, like it or not.

And I'm still not taking anything away from that feat, since it's still amazing, but in the end of the day he still stands massivly above DCnU Superman thanks to all of his other feats. Black Adam of course does not have the same high level feats, but it's still more than enough to take out DCnU Superman.

The same applies for all the other characters. Who would ever put Pre Reboot Wonder Woman versus DCnU Wonder Woman? DCnU Wonder Woman would get stomped and if anyone actually believes that DCnU Superman beats Pre Reboot Black Adam, especially considering Superman's high vulnerability to magic (much higher than Pre Reboot as we've seen) then the bias is strong within that one.

He ****ing died. So from this point, I would just ignore all the other feats from him and say he gets killed by any moon destroying attack. Fair, isn't it?

Supes gets his prettyboy face ripped off.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Characters and narration say that on panel all the time. In fact Thor's mightiest blows in secret wars was like tapping on a mountain. That doesn't mean shit. In fact when he was punching H'el the same mountain busting punches were sending shockwaves to earth's core and watchtower in upper atmosphere and the scientist which measure his strength specifically stated that his strength was higher than "his previous measured strength" which was the earth lifting scene.

When the narration tells you something then you better believe it since it's the most neutral and truthful source you'll get in comics.

Can it be stupid sometimes? Hell yes it can, but I posted four different instances of Superman's busting output being "reduced" to mountain busting levels.
Four different instances, not just one, where one could say it's some kind of writing induced stupidity, but four different instances.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Now "earth lifting"<<<mountain busting just because narration said so? Apply some common sense. Oh, I forgot you are a sentry fanboy.

I'm not saying that mountain busting is superior to Earth lifting. I'm saying that lifting does not equal striking.
I can benchpress 240 lbs, but that does not mean that I can punch through 240 lbs of steel.

"You forgot that I'm a Sentry fanboy?" What? That's a randomly thrown out insult without any kind of context at all.
Do yourself a favour and never come up with a statement like that again. It makes you look stupid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, the same old "superman knocked himself out destroying a moon" marvel fanboy routine. First it was a magical moon created by shadow thief's power and it was travelling at a very high speed. Superman destroyed it without any injury. Let's see what happens to the best herald marvel has to offer while amped to so level that he nearly exploded with power does to a moon.

He ****ing died. So from this point, I would just ignore all the other feats from him and say he gets killed by any moon destroying attack. Fair, isn't it?

Yeah ... the Silver Surfer endured planet busting attacks without even flinching and destroyed planets as the side-effect of his fights.

There we saw Superman getting knocked out after he collided with a moon - we saw him getting knocked out after two planets collided - we saw him getting knocked out after taking the explosion of a supernova to his face and I could go on.

Stop overhyping Superman ... he is a mid to high herald and that's it. There are people more powerful than him around.
He wins many of his fiction fights thanks to his speed and not because he has the base strength and durability to compete with some of the higher tier characters.

Does Pre Reboot Superman stand above Black Adam? Hell yes. Does DCnU Superman stand above Black Adam? Hell no.
And I hope for you that you don't think that either, but then again I saw you voting for Superman in some fights he would not be able to win.

Originally posted by Enzeru
When the narration tells you something then you better believe it since it's the most neutral and truthful source you'll get in comics.

Does Pre Reboot Superman stand above Black Adam? Hell yes. Does DCnU Superman stand above Black Adam? Hell no.
And I hope for you that you don't think that either, but then again I saw you voting for Superman in some fights he would not be able to win.

Originally posted by carver9
Black Adam beat PG while depowered. ABHI statement is false.

Doesn't matter how many times BA overpowers her, she's stronger. But naturally, Martian Manhunter IS NOT stronger than Superman.

Remember that Carver

Originally posted by Enzeru
No, my arguement is that new DCnU characters should not be put against more powerful Pre Reboot characters, just because.

You seem to be throwing around phrases as "more powerful", but I don't really see your points. DCnU characters aren't weaker than Pre Reboot characters by principle, so prove of the contrary that doesn't resort to lowballing would be great.

Bring some Black Adam high end feats, let's see that legendary strength that according to so many people surpases Power Girl's.

Originally posted by Enzeru
And let's not go overboard here with the planet destruction. The instance you most likely have in mind was a moon and not a planet

I said planetoid my friend, I used that word because I knew that if you were the kind of poster that resorts to dismissing proof because of bias, you'd inmediately yell it was just a moon. Of course, that doesn't mean you're biased, but it's a pretty precedent for my prediction skills don't you think?

Originally posted by Enzeru
and Superman needed to gather speed to increase his impact in order to destroy that moon and when he destroyed it, it knocked him out cold.

The idea that Superman needed speed to reach planetary destruction is also intriguing. But again, dwelling on old Superman feats doesn't solve much, considering you're downgrading them anyways and by extension downgrading any possibility of Black Adam matching DCNu Superman, since he's "around Superman's strength" *shrughs*

Originally posted by Enzeru
Superman's damange output is not on pair with some other characters, like it or not.

Keep it on topic my friend 😕

Originally posted by Enzeru
Black Adam of course does not have the same high level feats, but it's still more than enough to take out DCnU Superman.

And you're welcome to prove it. I'm not oposing the notion on principle.

Originally posted by Enzeru
if anyone actually believes that DCnU Superman beats Pre Reboot Black Adam, especially considering Superman's high vulnerability to magic (much higher than Pre Reboot as we've seen) then the bias is strong within that one.

Eh, some of the things you bring up here are up in the air. I don't see a problem in DCnU Superman being Superior to BA, a character being brand new doesn't equate to him being a lesser incarntion of Superman.

Pre boot superman has feats that put anything new superman has done to shame. He has multiple feats of providing forces above 50 earth weights.

It takes less than one earth weight of force to wreck a planet.
The Shadow moon would be considered a low showing in comparison to Superman's highest feats.

I believe
high end new superman>>>>> ba=average holding back pre boot superman.
But high end non holding back pre superman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both

Based on feats and actually READING SUPERMAN COMICS, DCNU Superman is at least as strong as Preboot Superman. He might very well be stronger too, but at the bare minimum, he's as strong, and arguably as fast.

People can throw out all of the "facts" they like about Adam. Hell, there's no shame in thinking Adam actually wins. He's a tough character. I just wonder at how many people in this thread think Adam wins because he's Adam, or simply because he's fighting Superman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Based on feats and actually READING SUPERMAN COMICS, DCNU Superman is at least as strong as Preboot Superman. He might very well be stronger too, but at the bare minimum, he's as strong, and arguably as fast.

People can throw out all of the "facts" they like about Adam. Hell, there's no shame in thinking Adam actually wins. He's a tough character. I just wonder at how many people in this thread think Adam wins because he's Adam, or simply because he's fighting Superman.

Exactly, its like when ever someone is fighting superman the local squad appears and lowball the crap out of superman.
the amount of butthurt some people got towards superman became some kind of trend.

TBH, that's really not helping.

lol^

Originally posted by -Pr-
TBH, that's really not helping.

nothing is helping, presenting facts is not helping because you just get trolled.
at least pointing things as they are makes kinda sense.