So...Palpatine wanted Vader to overthrow him?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
According to Lucas's ROTS commentary and The Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary, Palpatine's "peace" and shit were apparently genuine.

I choose to interpret it as you did: a line of bullshit fed to Anakin in order to complete his transformation.

I don't remember what the ROTS Dictionary said, but I kinda remember the commentary, and I believe Lucas said something along the lines of "Palpatine claims he wanted peace, which might be true, but the cost of it was too much." So I always took that as Lucas trying to get the audience to look at it from what may have been Anakin's perspective, hence the word "might." Also, IIRC, in the featurette, Becoming Sidious, Lucas says Palpatine represents the devil, being pure evil and is only in it for power.

Either Lucas was interpreting his commentary statement from may have been Anakin's POV, or there seems to be a contradiction, which wouldn't be surprising.

Edit: found it.

YouTube video

It's towards the beginning at about 0:38.

Palpatine's wanting peace is kind of silly given that the galaxy has effectively been at peace for 1000 years. 😉

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Actually, it was the EU's interpretation that Sidious's ultimate ambition was the assimilation of the galaxy into his own consciousness, in a galactic-scale of the stunt he pulled on Byss.

It was George and the films that assert Palpatine was willing to sacrifice himself for the "greater good" of the Sith and that, in his own twisted mind, was actually saving the galaxy from corruption and destruction.

I personally loathe the latter given that it is inconsistent with his characteristic cruelty, not to mention his own actions as the source of that corruption and destruction.

Why would you loathe the latter, when it is the precise reason why Palpatine prevailed where his predecessors failed?

Palpatine for all his arrogance and numerous character flaws, was cultured, refined you could even say holy (in a self righteous sought of way).

Ultimately he chose a Jedi to be his apprentice because only a Jedi could possess those refined qualities. He wanted Anakin to be even more significant than him, to surpass him, if possible. He would have wanted to see the ultimate evolution of the Sith occur through him, and if not him, an even worthier apprentice (if it was Vader's destiny to bring about the ultimate fulfillment of the Sith faith).

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I don't remember what the ROTS Dictionary said, but I kinda remember the commentary, and I believe Lucas said something along the lines of "Palpatine claims he wanted peace, which might be true, but the cost of it was too much." So I always took that as Lucas trying to get the audience to look at it from what may have been Anakin's perspective, hence the word "might." Also, IIRC, in the featurette, Becoming Sidious, Lucas says Palpatine represents the devil, being pure evil and is only in it for power.

Either Lucas was interpreting his commentary statement from may have been Anakin's POV, or there seems to be a contradiction, which wouldn't be surprising.

Edit: found it.

YouTube video

It's towards the beginning at about 0:38.

If Palaptine is like the devil then that supports the idea that he was also holy, and would welcome his demise if the apprentice proved to be a greater master of darkness than he.

Wait, were does it say Sidious wanted to turn the Galaxy into a dark side nexus like Byss and absorbing everyone's consciousness? Was it in the DE sourcebook?

to my understanding no...but to simply control the blade,..at his back...
no manipulate the blade at his back...I've always found Vader lacking..

Palpatine had no intention of passing the touch,Vader would have forever
been his misguided apprentice. even if he didn't have that Obi wan
accident. if he hadn't made that mistake against Obi Wan,he would

surely had a much worse accident against Palpatine.
young skywalker would have died or remade into half man half machine.

Originally posted by juyomaster34
to my understanding no...but to simply control the blade,..at his back...
no manipulate the blade at his back...I've always found Vader lacking..

Palpatine had no intention of passing the touch,Vader would have forever
been his misguided apprentice. even if he didn't have that Obi wan
accident. if he hadn't made that mistake against Obi Wan,he would

surely had a much worse accident against Palpatine.
young skywalker would have died or remade into half man half machine.

Anakin wasn't so foolish. If he'd defeated Obi Wan he would have been an even greater Sith. Beating Obi Wan channeling the living force is no mean fit.

Anakin was channeling the Dark Side not the Living Force.

I think he's referring to Obi Wan.

oh my bad,and I meant torch,typing too fast..lol...
thanks Master Han.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Wait, were does it say Sidious wanted to turn the Galaxy into a dark side nexus like Byss and absorbing everyone's consciousness? Was it in the DE sourcebook?

I've heard that source, but IDK where.

Well, in RotS, he seems to want Vader to eventually overthrow and succeed him. Ditto for Galen Marek in TFU. Ditto for Luke in RotJ, even after he had mastered essence transfer. Then, in DE, he apparently wants to absorb the galaxy into his own consciousness or something...but he still takes Luke as his apprentice. Why would he take as an apprentice someone with greater potential than himself, if he wants to live forever? 🙄

Originally posted by The Merchant
Wait, were does it say Sidious wanted to turn the Galaxy into a dark side nexus like Byss and absorbing everyone's consciousness? Was it in the DE sourcebook?

I'd recommend reading "The Apotheosis of Palpatine" by the long-vanished Publius aka Julius Sykes. Great article.

http://www.cse.usf.edu/~pnguyen7/rts.pdf

^ Page 10.

I wish our patriarch was sexy like a model..But george gotta look and sound like a nerd.

I felt that while he cared about sith ascendancy, he didn't view it as 'saving' the galaxy. I don't think any version of him felt that- Krayt and Vader did, but they're different.

I think he more took it as the ultimately "We're superior." A Sith works to make more powerful Sith. This is why the Sith won in the end. This was at the core of his training, and etc.. There may be some piece as a side-effect, but purely under Sith terms, and not as a goal (and while technically not a war, I doubt we'd find it the least bit preferable to war). His goal is Sith and his means are Sith, and he will settle for nothing less.

The whole 'devour everything' thing was all Clone Palps who, interestingly, seemed to have different motives.

No. He didn't.

Well, we've got two motives, one of which we've only seen Clone Palpatine pursue and was only mentioned in the Dark Empire sourcebook, and the other we've only seen pre-death Palpatine pursue. Looks like different motives to me.

Palpatine saw the whole Skylwaker family is no more than an asset, a means to an end. He wasn't that cunning to control an entire family of super Force sensitives. He was a fool to think he could.

Palpatine DOES want vader to overthrow him, or at least take over. He thinks his plan is far more important than himself. That is the point that makes him so powerful and so important... Same thing happened when he taunted luke....

He wanted luke to kill him with HATE so he would go over the top and become the evil that palpatine wanted....

He wants the sith to have peace. The only way for sith to have peace is for the jedi or any opposing faction to be dead. Peace doesn't mean motionless, just means no opposition, no fear of loosing.... pure power.

I disagree...if he wanted Anakin to rule,then Why pursue Eternal Life?
then if he wanted peace then there would be a fear of loosing power ,
sooner or later the apprentice wants to become Master...

Besides Sith and Peace don't sound right anyway...
Peace is a lie,
There is only passion,
through passion I gain strength ,
through strength I gain power,
through power I gain victory
through victory ,my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me .

There is no peace for a Sith as long as they allow themselves to be weakened by infighting....
Palpatine didn't want peace...he wanted to destroy the Jedi and have unlimited power!!!

you kno rule the galaxy forever as Emperor...where was Vader in this......
second in command and apprentice to the emperor .

For Vader it was just an illusion...to over throw Sids.
Sids won't give up his power, to pre suit or peak suit . because in that state .....
Anakin /Vader is just not powerful enough to take the mantle from Sids .

It was never meant or promised to Anakin,just enough to bait him to the dark side .....

Palps dabbled with the idea of eternal life, but deep down he knew it was beyond him while he still needed finite vessels.

His faith in the dark side was his ultimate weakness.

He initially wanted or intended Vader to succeed him - a young powerful Jedi, conceived by the living force - he was any force masters dream of an apprentice. But plans can change, Vader could never release himself from - justifiable - crushing guilt.