Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusTell me, was there any reason for Thor to struggle lifting the hammer? I mean, you didn't just happen to leave out scans now, right?
Thor was sweating and straining for dramatic purposes too, right? Not evidence of him struggling to lift the hammer?
Like, say, the fact that up until that point, he was not worthy?
And that scene was the moment he became worthy, thus him shouting out loud "For Sif. For my father. For me." and then instantly lifting it above his head?
The habit of leaving out context only to later be proved morons is really the best part of talking with Thorbags.
Congratulations, you're a misleading moron.
How am I being misleading? You aren't even making any sense. Thor failed to lift the hammer earlier as he was not worthy, that much should be obvious. He wasn't born worthy, he had to earn it until he could fully raise the hammer, I never said otherwise. But all of this is besides the point and Jake already explained all of this to you.
Thor lifted the hammer because he was Worthy but he still struggled. That's my entire point.
It's proof that Hulk lifting Mjolnir but struggling in the beginning doesn't mean he overpowered the enchantment like you claimed it is.
Now again, based on the evidence presented in that comic, the idea that Hulk overpowered the enchantment instead of proving to be worthy is ridiculous and makes it seem like you have a reading disorder. Hulk even screams that he's Worthy.
Re: Strength Test!!!
Originally posted by carver9
Character you choose must pass all of these challenges. Trans tier and below. Nothing but physical strength.Punch a hole in Colossus (one punch)
Rip the band of Cytorrak
Rip Adamantium the size of a phone book
Stop Classic Juggernaut forward momentum
Standing on a flat indestructible surface while a planet the size of Neptune is slowly coming at them. They have to lift it for 20 minutes while standing on the ground.
Dent Cap shield (hour to do so)
Thor lays Mjolnir on this person chest and they must lift themselves off the ground. Get an hour to do this.What character can complete these task. You can only choose one character to complete all of these task. Remember, they can only use physical might to complete these.
Many beings can punch a hole in Colossus if they didn't hold back.
Bands of Cyttorak are variable
No one can do 3
No one can do 4
Superman can do 5 if using the feats of more than 50 Earth weights.
Superman can do 6 and possibly WWH and Sentry (Terrax or Genis versions).
Anyone can do this as Mjolnir's enchantment only works his trying to grab with the hand.
No character trans and under can complete all tasks. No one can do 3 and 4.
Originally posted by carver9Nobody Trans or below can finish this with pure strength alone.
Character you choose must pass all of these challenges. Trans tier and below. Nothing but physical strength.Punch a hole in Colossus (one punch)
Rip the band of Cytorrak
Rip Adamantium the size of a phone book
Stop Classic Juggernaut forward momentum
Standing on a flat indestructible surface while a planet the size of Neptune is slowly coming at them. They have to lift it for 20 minutes while standing on the ground.
Dent Cap shield (hour to do so)
Thor lays Mjolnir on this person chest and they must lift themselves off the ground. Get an hour to do this.What character can complete these task. You can only choose one character to complete all of these task. Remember, they can only use physical might to complete these.
Re: Strength Test!!!
Originally posted by carver9
Character you choose must pass all of these challenges. Trans tier and below. Nothing but physical strength.Punch a hole in Colossus (one punch)
Rip the band of Cytorrak
Rip Adamantium the size of a phone book
Stop Classic Juggernaut forward momentum
Standing on a flat indestructible surface while a planet the size of Neptune is slowly coming at them. They have to lift it for 20 minutes while standing on the ground.
Dent Cap shield (hour to do so)
Thor lays Mjolnir on this person chest and they must lift themselves off the ground. Get an hour to do this.What character can complete these task. You can only choose one character to complete all of these task. Remember, they can only use physical might to complete these.
I think one or two of these tasks might be ringers.
A) I'm not sure about Classic Juggernaut. The X-Men movie is where the idea of "once he stops, he can't be stopped", not the comic. The comic has this as a magic feat, though. Not sure if pure strength is, conceptually, supposed to be able to overcome it.
B) I've only known Mjolnir to be deliberately used for "pinning" a person in one instance, and that was when Thor had a "rematch" against Red Hulk. It was only his hands that were trapped by Mjolnir being set atop, but Rulk found it easier to part the rocky ground underneath the hammer and his hands than to exert upward force. I was always under the impression Thor is prevented from using Mjolnir in this way by some "rule" of enchantment, or that it was changed.
In the old days, the hammer was "forced" to return to Thor after a few moments, else Thor would change to his civilian forum, making this impossible.
I don't know what happened in the years after that edict was lifted, assuming it ever was.
At any rate, my #1 choice for a character that could go through this gauntlet regardless, at least the way she was written when performing comparable feats,
is Golden Age, post-Marston Wonder Woman. Her books were filled with precisely these sorts of tests and impossible feats, some involving direct violations of even modern comic book physics to perform.
#2 choice would be pre-Crisis Supergirl, especially Silver Age Supergirl.
THAT girl could, and DID, literally toss entire Earth-sized planets in quick succession, with more ease and far greater distance than a normal person could hope to throw just about ANYTHING you can think of ...
If these tests really DO just measure pure physical strength, Supergirl 1963 would humbly muscle her way through all of them in short order.
She'd forfeit if success depended on passing the first test, though.
Maybe even Lesla Lar would refuse that first one ...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI hope you're just faking being dumb. I mean, Snake Eyes has an excuse, he's from herochat.
[B]How am I being misleading? You aren't even making any sense. Thor failed to lift the hammer earlier as he was not worthy, that much should be obvious. /B]
That much should be obvious based on what? You didn't post any context, ragey. You just posted a scan where you said Thor struggled, and thus Hulk struggling doesn't prove he overpowered the enchantment.
Since Thor, up until that point, wasn't worthy, there is now a perfectly resonable explanation why this was just a dramatic moment. Why he shouted for who he is fighting for. Why there was a pause between his shouting the names, and when he lifted the hammer. There was no 'I'm worthy, but still takes me time to lift the hammer because this takes effort'. The whole moment was 'Is he worthy NOW? Who is he fighting for?" And then he lifts it over his head.
I know you're not retarded, and you actually see that the two page effort shown of Hulk clearly implies that he overpowered the enchantment, and that the "Hulk is worhty" is basically just "haha, **** you, I'm strong enough to lift it".
I mean, you aren't this retarded when it comes to Thor, right?
Originally posted by Philosophía
I hope you're just faking being dumb. I mean, Snake Eyes has an excuse, he's from herochat.That much should be obvious based on what? You didn't post any context, ragey. You just posted a scan where you said Thor struggled, and thus Hulk struggling doesn't prove he overpowered the enchantment.
Since Thor, up until that point, wasn't worthy, there is now a perfectly resonable explanation why this was just a dramatic moment. Why he shouted for who he is fighting for. Why there was a pause between his shouting the names, and when he lifted the hammer. There was no 'I'm worthy, but still takes me time to lift the hammer because this takes effort'. The whole moment was 'Is he worthy NOW? Who is he fighting for?" And then he lifts it over his head.
I know you're not retarded, and you actually see that the two page effort shown of Hulk clearly implies that he overpowered the enchantment, and that the "Hulk is worhty" is basically just "haha, **** you, I'm strong enough to lift it".
I mean, you aren't this retarded when it comes to Thor, right?
What context? Did I claim that Thor was worthy of the hammer earlier? No. Although like I said, it should be blatantly obvious to anyone who's not retarded that Thor was struggling to lift Mjolnir because it was the first time he picked up the hammer. What, do you think I was arguing that an already worthy Thor walked up and suddenly had trouble moving it? If so, I think you should have yourself checked for a brain tumor. Mjolnir being heavy is only ever present during the initial moment. As a matter of fact, this scene with Bill not only further supports my point but indicates that the hammer grows lighter as the enchantment takes hold:
Anyways, this tangent is irrelevant and is simply you trying to divert from the main point: You're stance is hilariously dumb.
So now Thor struggling to lift the hammer can be written off for dramatic effect? That's an extremely convenient excuse that you can't factually support in anyway. Not to mention you can write off Hulk struggling as dramatic effect and not evidence of any strength involved as well.
Yes, Hulk saying he's worthy as Mjolnir radiates with energy reminiscent of past examples is definitely evidence of him overpowering the enchantment. 😐
You have anymore other theories that contradict evidence and depend on your own warped personal interpretation? Because so far you've just been throwing shit at the wall while ignoring all scans.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftAnyway, no one can do the last one, except Thanos.
oh really? so based on your statement you believe thanos to be physically stronger than any other trans tier? judging by what exactly? what puts him physically above lets say superman prime? or superboy prime? or owaw superman?
