Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Which wouldn't matter if he wasn't putting up sufficient counter resistance to her twisting his arm.LOL I was talking about Genevieve zaping her which made it easier to manhandle her among other things.
It would, because an Original is supposed to be that f*cking strong.
What the f*ck does ending scene of last week's episode have to do with Mikael's humiliation?
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Says that I am ignoring it
>addresses it threw OS argument this entire time
>addresses it threw mind set argument this entire time
LOL
Not sure what you're trying to say here. I think you need to work on your communication ability, as it's fairly lacking from what I've seen. Case in point; your inability to convey whether you meant Monique or Genevieve when you pointed out that Hayley has been weakened by a spell.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
You mean e same dialogue that shows Hayley being at his mercy for how lomg? LOL you have no counter as the fact is he didn't kill her right away which means he was not trying.
For about a few seconds at best before she went into a mama wolf fit and broke his f*cking arm. Yes, that's how long it took for him to go from predator to prey of an inferior creature.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
If he is not exerting enough strength to counter act her twisting his arm then yes his demeanor is a factor.
Do you know anything about the Originals, bro? Like the fact that they were created to be individually superior to a trasnformed werewolf in terms of raw power? That Caroline alone had considerably greater strength than Mason? Or the fact that your average Original is far, far stronger than old vampires like Sage, Mary Porter, Rose, Lexi, Katherine, Marcel, Stefan and Damon and young hybrids like Tyler? Who themselves are well above the paygrade of younger vamps like Caroline, Elena and most of the New Orleans vamps who aren't even a century old?
So now that we've established a basic power hierarchy, let's recap:
Enhanced Originals(Alaric, Mikael and Klaus)>Normal Original(Elijah, Rebekah, Kol and Finn)>transformed werewolves>Old vampires>=young hybrids>young vampires>untransformed werewolves.
That's a pretty massive strength gap right there. Especially when one considers how Tyler didn't have the slightest bit of problem restraining her or draining her baby bump of blood, and there wasn't a damn thing she could do about it. Considering that Mikael was the Original vamp Cannibal, he should be a bazillion times stronger than Tyler, even at a base/relaxed state.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
>broke a relaxed grip/arm
>LOLLLLLLLLL she stood in the same way on the staircase before and after he blitzed her
>which never would have happen if he took the multiple chances he had to kill her and wasn't weakened
>Which should be beyond the ability of a hybrid or a vampire to break.
>She immediately jumped downwards after he blitzed past her.
>There is no onscreen proof that he was weakened. He did take every chance he had to kill her, but was thwarted and beaten down like weak old feeb.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
What exactly did she thwart when she could have been killed a good 3 times by a weakened and non serious Mikael.
She thwarted his attempts to physically harm her. Stop repeating the word weakened over and over again, when you don't even know the meaning of the term.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Uses Elijah as an example
>compares OS crumbling to werewolf venom
>thinks Hayley would want to hurt someone she has feelings for
>Werewolf venom actually weakens Originals, as opposed to you unproven theory that a crumbling OS does the same to vampires.
>Hayley's other name happens to be "b
itch". Or did you forget the nonchalant manner in which she betrayed Tyler and his 12 hybrids and later on pretended as if he was the one who backstabbed her?
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
uses Rebekah as an example
>compares someone who had the time span from one night to the next to dilute it to someone who at the time of attacking Hayley had only a few hours at most since it was still the afternoon
>again compares the OS crumbling to werewolf venom
Are you purposefully this much of an idiot? Or were you just born this way? Anyways, back to addressing your strawman:
>Elijah immediately recovered from the wolf venom after Eve saved Hayley. Rebekah on the other hand remained weakened to the point that she was barely able to walk throughout that entire episode.
>Considering how there is actual onscreen proof of one weakening a vampire, while the other has words being cited by an unreliable writer, I'd take my chances with wolf venom.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Don't describe yourself lol
A very shitty "No YOU!" response. TBH, I didn't expect any better from you.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Your missing the point.
No I am not. I get the point fairly clearly. And the point is this; you're such a blind tvd/originals fanboy that you would make up ridiculous theories to defend horrible low showings of a character instead of simply accepting them and moving on.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Mikael was only toying with Klaus. Quickly dispatching of Rebekah and Elijah is a testament to that. And when he was chasing them on the streets there is no indication that he was toying with them his show.
He didn't quickly dispatch Elijah. He tried to convert him to the dark side first. When he was holding Elijah down, Elijah had to use his full body strength just to move Mikael's arm.
Still, the Klaus-encounter disproves your horrid assumption that toying with opponents somehow depowers Mikael.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
LOL what?
The other side and earth are parallel. Bonnie removed the wall that was perpetrating them. How is that a sign of it crumbling?
Meanwhile this time around the other side was attacked at it's source. As Liv stated by removing one thing it just slowly crumbles away.
It's like comparing someone removing the wall that seperates two rooms to removing the foundation of one and watching it crumble.
So your lexi and alaric points are worthless and it has not been contradicted yet.
In both cases a ghost can physically interact with the denizens of the real world. Enzo almost drowned Elena. Enzo overwhelmed Stefan. Vicki was the same baby vamp at the time of dying before she got sucked into Hell.
There is not only a lack of proof from onscreen sources regarding Carina's bullshit explanation, there is enough evidence to prove that the time period for which one is on the OS doesn't affect one's power. Because she clearly meant the time spent on the OS as being what weakened Mikael. Not the crumbling itself, but the time spent. Which is utter trash, as seen numerous times with Lexi.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Mikael was weakened, and not trying. Sorry 😉
Since you lack any screen evidence to prove this claim, I'll take this as a cloaked concession.🙂