Originally posted by Nephthys
Huh?XSUPREMEXSKILLZ said that Scourge likely had the element of surprise in most of his battles so I pointed out some facts contradicting that. It had nothing to do with those two points.
What points though?
😕 Having the element of surprise does not preclude fighting macho-style.
As supremeskillz points out, Scourge benefits from a rage boost when he kills sith. He does not get that benefit against Obi Wan. And feel free to name one of the prominent Jedi he's killed. Because, oddly enough, it seems as though you're vaguely waving your hand at these allegedly powerful Jedi he's killed, that we never see, and assuming that they must be on Obi Wan's level.
You know, because Durge had been alive for over a millenium, and had never met a Jedi faster than CW Anakin.
Originally posted by Master Han
😕 Having the element of surprise does not preclude fighting macho-style.As supremeskillz points out, Scourge benefits from a rage boost when he kills sith. He does not get that benefit against Obi Wan. And feel free to name [b]one
of the prominent Jedi he's killed. Because, oddly enough, it seems as though you're vaguely waving your hand at these allegedly powerful Jedi he's killed, that we never see, and assuming that they must be on Obi Wan's level.You know, because Durge had been alive for over a millennium, and had never met a Jedi faster than CW Anakin. [/B]
He wears heavy-armor, can you see him creeping along ventilation shafts? 😬 Scourge isn't going to be sneaking up on anyone. He's never shown a penchant towards stealth or attacked opponents by surprise. In TOR he walks up to a Republic base by himself to get to hims target and stands right in front of Vitiates throne waiting for the Hero. Its contradictory to think he'd resort to stealth against other opponents, especially when they're described as daring to stand against him.
And as I pointed out he's fought plenty of Jedi as well. The 'oh the jedi might have been shit' point is something you've brought up before. I'm not interested in getting into it again with you.
As a bounty hunter its unknown how many Jedi he's actually met. Likely he's never faced a Jedi Council member or any top tier Jedi. Furthermore, he was in hiding for most of that millennium.
Lastly about your point with Vitiates boost, theres nothing indicating its something Vitiate himself needs to constantly apply and not a permanent amp. The same line mentions his immortality, which isn't a limited boost.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The 'oh the jedi might have been shit' point is something you've brought up before.
Learn to read more carefully: my request is not that you substantiate that these Jedi were not shit, but that they were on Obi Wan's level.
Lastly about your point with Vitiates boost, theres nothing indicating its something Vitiate himself needs to constantly apply and not a permanent amp. The same line mentions his immortality, which isn't a limited boost.
The description of Vitiate's boosting his imperial guards suggests that it's a constant amp, but one that requires Vitiate's active input. Otherwise, there would be no point in everyone's constantly mentioning it, if it's an old onetime power-up. It's considered in the context of an external benefit.
I consider Quinlan Vos to be shit. Did you see his fight with Cad Bane? He was useless, Kenobi carried his ass through that fight.
The Imperial Guards draw on Vitiates power, while Scourge was enhanced by him. I don't see them as the same thing. And it isn't constantly mentioned, its said once in the encyclopedia iirc.