Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Darth Krayt and Wyyrlok seemed to be fighting as near equals until Wyyrlok put Krayt in a trance-like state. Also, when did Krayt show that he can instantly heal himself? He didn't immediately get back up after being stabbed by Cade. Unless you mean he can keep himself alive; but I've seen a lot of people suggest that he can instantly get back up with his dark transfer ability, which isn't true.
I'd argue he could for more minor attacks, such as a mediocre gash in the arm or back that would ussually hamper the fighter for the rest of said fight, I believe he could just about instantly heal such an attack and fight normally via Dark Transfer.
I wouldn't say it was like "near equals", I mean, Krayt was dominating in the competition of lightsaber skill--While they were something of equal with Force Powers.
But you're right, I suppose. Wyyrlok did do better against Krayt than Cade did.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
1. In lightsaber combat, he obviously outmatched both Cade Skywalker and Darth Wyyrlok III--Both of whom were 2 of the best duelists of the era, along with Draco and Roan Fel. Krayt was the best duelist of the era by a distinguished amount.
Impressive, but difficult to quantify. What have Cade and Wyyrlok done?
2. Though he chose not to wear it in his final confrontations for an unknown reason, Krayt owned a set of Vonduun Crab armor which was inpenetrable by lightsabers, similarly to Orbalisk armor, though it's mechanisms are different.
I intended for him to have it here, although Luke has cut through Vong armor, so Krayt may simply be lured into a false sense of security.
3. He killed several Tuk'ata beasts with a burst of Force Lightning during his time on Korriban, and has also crumbled stone with FL.
Honestly, this isn't very high tier.
He could use Dark Transfer, which is similar to FL, to insta-kill anyone who he can grab with his hands.
Has he used this on a powerful Force user?
5. Krayt has shown the ability to resist powerful Force Illusions that were created by Wyyrlok's Sith Sorcery, and he was able to use this ability himself--Uttterly overwhelming a Skywalker with his Force Illusions of his greatest fears.
This is impressive, albeit not necessarily effective against Skywalker. It seems Krayt has quite the range of Force abilities - but it's difficult to pinpoint his raw power.
6. Krayt can use Dark Transfer, just like Cade can, to heal both himself and others from the brink of death almost instantly. He's supposed to be as good with this ability as Cade is according to the latter himself, and the latter has healed his own wounds almost instantly in a combat scenario before--Leading me to believe Krayt can too.7. Krayt has also claimed to have learned Essence Transfer from Darth Andeddu's holocron, but ultimately his will was not enough to overcome Cade's own, and thus he failed to take the latter's body.
8. Krayt, after his rebirth, made all who had ever touched the Dark Side across the entire galaxy feel his very presence, letting all know that he was alive. He did this on a Nexus, but still.
I guess I'd put him above Dooku in overall Force ability.
Originally posted by Master Han
Impressive, but difficult to quantify. What have Cade and Wyyrlok done?I intended for him to have it here, although Luke has cut through Vong armor, so Krayt may simply be lured into a false sense of security.
Honestly, this isn't very high tier.
Has he used this on a powerful Force user?
This is impressive, albeit not necessarily effective against Skywalker. It seems Krayt has quite the range of Force abilities - but it's difficult to pinpoint his raw power.
I guess I'd put him above Dooku in overall Force ability.
1. Cade has stalemated Draco, who in turn defeated Roan Fel in lightsaber combat--Roan Fel was Emperor of the Galaxy before Krayt. He's also handled Darth Talon and defeated Darth Stryfe without too much trouble. Wyyrlok's performance against Krayt is all he has, really. He did about as good as Cade.
2. True, but it would help. No ordinary strike from Luke is going to break it, so when fending off 3 Dark Lords it would be especially helpful.
3. It's decent tier. I mean, shattering stone is pretty impressive, and insta-killing Tuk'ata is pretty good too. Honestly Dooku hasn't done much better himself, and he's often regarded as a master of FL. Give or take, Krayt's pretty good with FL, but not the best surely.
4. Yes, he used it to kill Cade, then brought him back from death using the same technique.
5. Yeah, I suppose, though I rank him quite highly. He's got a range of powers and he's good at all of them. His Force Illusions may play here, if he catches Luke off guard.
6. I would agree to the sentiment.
Oh, and I forgot to mention: Krayt at one point killed 4 Imperial Knights, which were counter parts of Jedi and Sith, in 2 panels. 3 in one, the last in the next. These Knights were the personal guard of Emperor Roan Fel. This is a pretty damn good speedfeat.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Darth Krayt and Wyyrlok seemed to be fighting as near equals until Wyyrlok put Krayt in a trance-like state. Also, when did Krayt show that he can instantly heal himself? He didn't immediately get back up after being stabbed by Cade. Unless you mean he can keep himself alive; but I've seen a lot of people suggest that he can instantly get back up with his dark transfer ability, which isn't true.
Dark Transfer has cured people from deadly wounds quickly before, and his is stronger than Cade's (or at least stronger than Cade's darkside version).
How long depends on the level of injury and stuff. He killed and revived Cade in the final fight, and that didn't take long. Bigger wounds are slower.
And, if one goes for a mutual-strike, it doesn't matter how long, after all- like if there's an opportunity to go for a fatal shot in return for one, he'll come back, they won't. It's nice in that he only has to aim for a draw to get a win.
Originally posted by Master Han
^did he really "hold his own" against Kenobi?He's apparently the most powerful Force user (or was it duelist?) of his era, an era that supposedly includes Kol Skywalker. So...
With saber they were pretty equal, even getting a hilt-strike to the face in, before Kenobi used the force to open his guard. Back when he was young, he was all saber, little force. In the next few decades he became much more studied and skilled in the force powers end of things, to the point where, as you've read, force abilities is probably his strongest area.
And he's definitely the strongest of his time.
Impressive, but difficult to quantify. What have Cade and Wyyrlok done?
Cade's been in fights with, like, two-thirds of the most active master duelists in the era (a couple Jedi, a couple Imperial Knights, almost all of the major Sith of the time...), plus Celeste Morne a badass from the KotoR era. He can also raise the dead and throw small starships (like, Falcon-sized I think) with TK.
Wyyrlock killed Andeddu in a force sorcery contest. Andeddu is an ancient sith famous for force sorcery (to the point where the other sith lords of the time had to gang up to take him down, and Dooku spoke of his skill millennia later) and he had a staff with a force-crystal at the time.
But, seriously, he's demonstrated an ability to quickly dispatch enemies by moving vastly faster than them...doesn't this constitute "blitzing".
Sure, but enemies weaker than any of this trio have managed to engage him in actual exchanges of blows too.