Darth Thanaton runs the PT gauntlet!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Thanaton is acknowledged as a "supremely powerful" Sith in canon.

And Anoon Bondara's saber skills are "second to none".

As far as the lightning argument is concerned, Thanaton destroyed a "large metallic structure" with a normal burst of his lightning during his clash with Exal Kressh. The lightning burst he unleashed on Nox was on a whole new level in comparison to norm. Nox endured such powers with his extraordinary supernatural abilities (I have heard that Nox's body is almost invincible or something).

RotS Obi Wan can casually rip bolted machinery.

However, Thanaton's victory over Exal Kressh proves that he is not be underestimated in both power and tactical aspects.

Powerscaling is tough without knowing what scale you're using.

In-fact, Thanaton might hold his own against Yoda in a contest of Force powers.

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no legend, your continuing bias fades in the face of yoda's force feats. such ignorance...

Originally posted by Master Han
RotS Obi Wan can casually rip bolted machinery.

Thanaton can fly.

See how I posted a completely irrelevant feat that has nothing to do with TK just like you posed a completely irrelevant feat that has nothing to do with FLightning?

Thats you. sneer

he's comparing their force skills in general neph

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thanaton can fly.

See how I posted a completely irrelevant feat that has nothing to do with TK just like you posed a completely irrelevant feat that has nothing to do with FLightning?

Thats you. sneer

Your analytical skills seem to fail you beyond embedding youtube links, since my (obvious) point was (obviously) that, as anyone who can read could (obviously) see, SWL thought using lightning to destroy a "metallic structure" was (obviously) impressive, yet I pointed out that (obviously) Kenobi can replicate such a feat using mere telekinesis, and so (obviously) won't be intimidated.

Obviously.

Now, bend over.

Originally posted by Master Han
Your analytical skills seem to fail you beyond embedding youtube links, since my (obvious) point was (obviously) that, as anyone who can read could (obviously) see, SWL thought using lightning to destroy a "metallic structure" was (obviously) impressive, yet I pointed out that (obviously) Kenobi can replicate such a feat using mere telekinesis, and so (obviously) won't be intimidated.

Obviously.

Now, bend over.

facepalm

I know your point was obvious, it was just completely irrelevant and idiotic like I said.

TK and lightning are completely different techniques with completely different scales of intensity. Destroying a "large metallic structure" with lightning IS mother****ing impressive because of the level of power needed to do that with just lightning. Destroying metal with lightning. Do have any idea the level of intensity needed to do that? Its a much more impressive feat than I thought Thanaton capable of.

In contrast Kenobi ripping that hanging thing is hardly impressive at all in terms of TK.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
So you're saying the guy that Nox force-stomp'd is going to match or overpower Yoda with the Force? :/

I don't think so, kid.

Thanaton's victory over Exal Kressh should leave no doubt his immense power and skill.

Originally posted by Master Han And Anoon Bondara's saber skills are "second to none".

Originally posted by Master Han
RotS Obi Wan can casually rip bolted machinery.

I doubt that Kenobi can control a lightning burst that can engulf a gigantic target which dwarfs a human being in size.

Originally posted by Master Han
Powerscaling is tough without knowing what scale you're using.

1. She casually shrugged off thousands of glass pieces hurled towards her by Thanaton;
2. She bombarded Thanaton's position with large objects (including large droids who happened to be in the vicinity) with her telekinetic abilities;
3. She even destroyed Thanaton's lightsaber with a normal burst of her lightning (Rendered lightsaber based defense utterly useless);
4. She also had no trouble redirecting lightning unleashed on her back at its source;
5. She packed sufficient telekinetic skill to shatter (gigantic) structures and columns without noticeable effort;
6. She was also an extremely skilled duelist, capable of pwning multiple experienced duelists simultaneously.

In the nutshell, Exal Kressh was impressive by all accounts; easily more impressive then Dooku. Keep in mind that her peak capabilities are not known at the moment.

Originally posted by Master Han
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not that Thanaton is lacking in dueling aspects, you must understand the difference between "power" and "dueling skills."

You know, SWL, you have such an odd and irritating writing manner, where you try to lecture your opponents to "understand" certain phenomena that you, in your deluded self pretentiousness, think yourself superior in understanding with.

The funny part is that you make a complete, and utter fool out of yourself, more often than not.

Go back and re-read my response, and see if you can grasp the meaning behind my [not-so] cryptic rebuttal.

Not that Thanaton is lacking in telekinetic aspects, he destroyed a metallic structure (big enough to pack fit human(s) inside it) with a normal burst of his lightning. Also, Thanaton was capable of augmenting his lightning to extreme levels.

"extreme" levels? What is it with you and useless descriptors?

I doubt that Kenobi can control a lightning burst that can engulf a gigantic target which dwarfs a human being in size.

That takes him several seconds to charge.

Exal Kressh was very powerful in her own right;

1. She casually shrugged off thousands of glass pieces hurled towards her by Thanaton;

...ooohhh?

2. She bombarded Thanaton's position with large objects (including large droids who happened to be in the vicinity) with her telekinetic abilities;

...ooohhh?

3. She even destroyed Thanaton's lightsaber with a normal burst of her lightning (Rendered lightsaber based defense utterly useless);

😆 I love how you forget that you're trying to argue for Thanaton here.

4. She also had no trouble redirecting lightning unleashed on her back at its source;

...ooohhh?

5. She packed sufficient telekinetic skill to shatter gigantic stony structures and columns

Stony? Obi Wan can shatter durasteel. 🙄

6. She was also an extremely skilled duelist, capable of pwning multiple duelists simultaneously.

And now you will tell us that this puts her on Obi Wan's level. 😆

In the nutshell, Exal Kressh was impressive in many ways.

"impressive in many ways"?

Is English your first language?

That is a serious question.

For all his power, Yoda still have his share of shortcomings and limitations. The sooner you realize this, the better.

Since you evidently fail to actually elaborate on these "shortcomings" and "limitations", I'm going to take your smug tone as Shakespearean levels of dramatic irony.

Dude, remember than Thanatons duel with Exal Kressh was a whole forty years before TOR.

Also no, it isn't his first language.

^^^

I think that Master Han is beyond reasoning level; he lacks in both maturity and intellectual aspects.

If I am stating that a character (A) have shattered a gigantic statue with telekinetic abilities, OP will respond with a vague statement such a character (B) could damage durasteel. Sheer level of idiocy of this guy is baffling.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
^^^

I think that Master Han is beyond reasoning level; he lacks in both maturity and intellectual aspects.

If I am stating that a character (A) have shattered a gigantic statue with telekinetic abilities, OP will respond with a vague statement such a character (B) could damage durasteel. Sheer level of idiocy of this guy is baffling.

No, it's just something called "reading between the lines" that you never learned in grade school.

You see, when I respond to your claim about whoever's having "supreme" Force powers with Anoon Bondara's "second to none" accolade, it has nothing to do with my failing to distinguish Force power and dueling skills, contrary to your laughably smug attitude. I'll give you one more chance to figure it out, or you're going on ignore.

Originally posted by Master Han You know, SWL, you have such an odd and irritating writing manner, where you try to lecture your opponents to "understand" certain phenomena that you, in your deluded self pretentiousness, think yourself superior in understanding with.

The funny part is that you make a complete, and utter fool out of yourself, more often than not.

Go back and re-read my response, and see if you can grasp the meaning behind my [not-so] cryptic rebuttal.

Originally posted by Master Han
"extreme" levels? What is it with you and useless descriptors?

Thanaton's normal burst of lightning was potent enough to disintegrate/destroy metallic structures. His charged lightning was relatively much more potent in comparison (a lightning phenomenon which was like a whirlwind; hence the word "extreme" in my previous description).

Originally posted by Master Han
That takes him several seconds to charge.

Originally posted by Master Han
...ooohhh?

...ooohhh?

Originally posted by Master Han
😆 I love how you forget that you're trying to argue for Thanaton here.

...ooohhh?

Originally posted by Master Han
Stony? Obi Wan can shatter durasteel. 🙄

Originally posted by Master Han
And now you will tell us that this puts her on Obi Wan's level. 😆

Originally posted by Master Han
"impressive in many ways"?

Is English your first language?

That is a serious question.

Originally posted by Master Han
Since you evidently fail to actually elaborate on these "shortcomings" and "limitations", I'm going to take your smug tone as Shakespearean levels of dramatic irony.

2. Sidious knocked Yoda unconscious with a normal burst of his lightning (A sign of limitation of Yoda's Force shield based defense?)

3. Yoda have decent tutaminis capabilities since he handled Sidious's charged lightning for a short while but Sidious lightning wasn't on level of Exal Kressh's whose lightning not just overwhelmed lightsaber based defense of a powerful Force-user but obliterated the lightsaber itself.

There are ample signs in conan sources which indicate that characters have strengths but weaknesses too.

I am not among those who mindlessly associate names such as Yoda, Sidious, Luke, Revan and vice versa with invincibility. While, these characters can defeat lot of individuals, they can loose to some other powerful individuals as well.

Exal Kressh's loss to Thanaton is an excellent example of one powerful individual loosing to another (Exal Kressh was more then a match for Thanaton on many fronts but still lost).

Originally posted by Master Han
No, it's just something called "reading between the lines" that you never learned in grade school.

You see, when I respond to your claim about whoever's having "supreme" Force powers with Anoon Bondara's "second to none" accolade, it has nothing to do with my failing to distinguish Force power and dueling skills, contrary to your laughably smug attitude. I'll give you one more chance to figure it out, or you're going on ignore.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You buffoon, it is not my problem if you suck at understanding information.

No. I'll give you one last shot.

You said that so-and-so-character had "supreme" levels of Force ability.
I replied by pointing out that Anoon Bondara's saber skills were second to none.

Explain why I did this.

It'll help you understand why I brought up Obi Wan's bending durasteel.

You buffoon;

Thanaton's normal burst of lightning was potent enough to disintegrate/destroy metallic structures. His charged lightning was relatively much more potent in comparison (a lightning phenomenon which was like a whirlwind; hence the word "extreme" in my previous description).

His charged lightning (gasp!) needs to be charged first. Note that, in the aforementioned battle sequence, Nox just stands there and dares him to attack. I don't think Kenobi will do the same.

So?

Is this a joke? You seriously do not understand how the need to take time to charge an attack could be a handicap in a combat situation?

Pathetic attitude continues...

And Obi-Wan have a comparable showing? Or even Dooku? Or even Sidious?

What? Destroying a lightsaber handle? You think this is somehow impressive? They're not necessarily remarkably durable. It's only a difficult feat because she clearly penetrated Thanaton's defenses; but, beyond useless circular logic you'll doubtlessly reply with, this is a mark against Thanaton.

Remember that statue related feat of Anakin inside the Jedi Temple? This is the type of feat that I am referring to; in-fact Exal Kressh performed matching or superior feats in nuetral settings.

Seeing that durasteel > stone, why did you bother to bring this up?

I cannot verify this.

Then your point is...?

There's no point in trying to contend that Thanaton can match Kenobi in sabers.

You pay attention on the argument or don't bother responding. You're insults will be reported from now onwards.

You call me a "buffoon", and then threaten to report me for insults? 😕

1. Dooku nearly pushed Yoda to his limits with his lightning. (Dooku isn't as proficient in this application as some of his TOR era predecessors were; not even close).

Bullshit. Dooku did not push Yoda to his limits. Sidious pushed Yoda to his limits; the same Sidious can turn giant beasts, and three powerful DS sorcerers, into ash with one hand.

2. Sidious knocked Yoda unconscious with a normal burst of his lightning (A sign of limitation of Yoda's Force shield based defense?)

How could you possibly argue this in good conscious? I know that you know Yoda was clearly caught off guard (watch his facial expression), given that he later deflects Sidious's even more powerful lightning at point blank range.

3. Yoda have decent tutaminis capabilities since he handled Sidious's charged lightning for a short while but Sidious lightning wasn't on level of Exal Kressh's whose lightning not just overwhelmed lightsaber based defense but obliterated the lightsaber itself.

😆 Sidious's lightning has turned powerful DS users and giant beats into dust; this is certainly more potent than obliterating a lightsaber.

Seriously, what is it with your fascination with the most useless feats imaginable? Destroying metal structures with lightning is not unimpressive, I'll give you that (although Galen Marek does the same to AT-STs)- then, you decide to obsessively brag about destroying a lightsaber? WTF?

And do you realize that the latter feat downplays Thanaton?

There are ample signs in conan sources which indicate that characters have strengths but weaknesses too.

Way to post a useless tautology. Obviously Yoda has weaknesses. Thanaton has weaknesses too. So does your beloved Vitiate. But you can't argue that the Roman legions could take down the modern United States military because the latter "has weaknesses", not only if you put it in red.

IIRC Kit Fisto has accolades that state he can move so fast he can make solid after images that make it appear that there are 4 Fistos fighting you at the same time. I think he wins.

Lolwut?

Thats impossible outside of manga dude. haermm

(also Han dunno if you saw but yes English isn't his first language so maybe go easy on his phrases and such)

I recall reading that somewhere. So is shooting lightning from your hands and lifting things with your mind via an invisible life force that surrounds us 😉

Exal Kressh was very clearly more powerful and skilled than him when they fought, he won in large part due to the aid of his warrior slave.

In the nutshell, Exal Kressh was impressive by all accounts; easily more impressive then Dooku. Keep in mind that her peak capabilities are not known at the moment.

That I'll disagree with. Skilled, sure, but Dooku level...? I wouldn't bet on that.

Originally posted by Master Han
Why would they possess no defense against their signature technique?

Lightning is harder to defend against than to make, though a saber helps. Absorption is a pretty tricky technique.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
no legend, your continuing bias fades in the face of yoda's force feats. such ignorance...

You shouldn't be talking to anybody about bias.

Originally posted by Master Han
No. I'll give you one last shot.

You said that so-and-so-character had "supreme" levels of Force ability.
I replied by pointing out that Anoon Bondara's saber skills were second to none.

Explain why I did this.

In contrast, Bondara's dueling skills were "second to none" in opinion of his apprentice; an opinion, proven wrong by Maul. Because I don't think that an individual whose skills are supposedly second to none in PT era will struggle with Maul.

Originally posted by Master Han
It'll help you understand why I brought up Obi Wan's bending durasteel.

Analogy: Malgus cracked marble top with a single punch (natural strength).

Originally posted by Master Han
His charged lightning (gasp!) needs to be charged first. Note that, in the aforementioned battle sequence, Nox just stands there and dares him to attack. I don't think Kenobi will do the same.

Originally posted by Master Han
Is this a joke? You seriously do not understand how the need to take time to charge an attack could be a handicap in a combat situation?

Originally posted by Master Han
What? Destroying a lightsaber handle? You think this is somehow impressive? They're not necessarily remarkably durable. It's only a difficult feat because she clearly penetrated Thanaton's defenses; but, beyond useless circular logic you'll doubtlessly reply with, this is a mark against Thanaton.

Analogy: Dooku was much more powerful then Kenobi (in AOTC) but the former failed to disarm Kenobi with his FL.

Your attempts to downplay impressive feats of TOR era characters are lame and reflect upon your bias.

Originally posted by Master Han
Seeing that durasteel > stone, why did you bother to bring this up?

A droid can be made of durasteel. This doesn't means the power required to damage such a droid would be remotely even close to shatter a gigantic structure made of stone that may weigh many tons.

Describe the feat properly or SU.

Originally posted by Master Han
Then your point is...?

There's no point in trying to contend that Thanaton can match Kenobi in sabers.

In-fact, Thanaton could disarm his opponents by pulling the weapons out of their grip with his Force abilities:

Originally posted by Master Han
You call me a "buffoon", and then threaten to report me for insults? 😕

Originally posted by Master Han
Bullshit. Dooku did not push Yoda to his limits. Sidious pushed Yoda to his limits; the same Sidious can turn giant beasts, and three powerful DS sorcerers, into ash with one hand.

Dooku gave a little growl and thrust forth his hand, loosing a line of blue lightning at the diminutive Master.
Yoda caught it in his own hand and turned it aside, but far from easily.

Source: AOTC Novelization

Also, Sidious isn't exclusive at being potent enough to turn sentient beings to ash with his lightning. Nyriss have comparable showing, as an example.

Originally posted by Master Han
How could you possibly argue this in good conscious? I know that you know Yoda was clearly caught off guard (watch his facial expression), given that he later deflects Sidious's even more powerful lightning at point blank range.

Originally posted by Master Han
😆 Sidious's lightning has turned powerful DS users and giant beats into dust; this is certainly more potent than obliterating a lightsaber.

Exal Kressh had no trouble in vaporizing physical bodies with her FL.

Originally posted by Master Han
Seriously, what is it with your fascination with the most useless feats imaginable? Destroying metal structures with lightning is not unimpressive, I'll give you that (although Galen Marek does the same to AT-STs)- then, you decide to obsessively brag about destroying a lightsaber? WTF?

And do you realize that the latter feat downplays Thanaton?

Originally posted by Master Han
Way to post a useless tautology. Obviously Yoda has weaknesses. Thanaton has weaknesses too. So does your beloved Vitiate. But you can't argue that the Roman legions could take down the modern United States military because the latter "has weaknesses", not only if you put it in red.

Originally posted by The Merchant
I recall reading that somewhere. So is shooting lightning from your hands and lifting things with your mind via an invisible life force that surrounds us 😉

Except those are made possible through the Force by manipulating energy. Moving fast enough to produce solid after images is literally impossible by the laws of physics.