you serious? i can see plagueis taking sabers, but the force, i'm inclined to say kyp, due to having superior force feats, (that are applicable to combat) although plagueis does have extremely potent pushes and waves going for him. and sabers is closer than you think, if it's true that kyp rivals katarn in that department, although plagueis still would most likely take it.
edit: plus luke says kyp has raw power equal to himself, if memory serves me right
No, Plagueis has better Force feats in terms of combat applications:
"He stopped once to conjure a Force wave that all but atomized the bodies of six Maladians. He spun through a turn, dragging the wave halfway around the room to kill half a dozen more."
Kyp seems to me to be overrated as hell, as he's done little to earn his accolades and hasn't ever really shown competence in battle.
Originally posted by Master Han
Neph: tossing around frigates much?And, again, what has Plagueis ever done with a lightsaber? I'm sure he's good, but as good as Durron?
It was only in space. >_< Plus Plagueis did that when he'd had his throat slit and one of his heart was in fibrillation
He's strong enough to punch through armored torsos:
"Others Plagueis felled with his hands by snapping necks and putting his fists through armored torsos."
Fast enough to register as a blur to a droid who can dodge blaster bolts and has highly-advanced photo-receptors:
"The Woebegone had just reverted to realspace when 11-4D’s audio sensors registered unusual sounds from aft: an activation click, a prolonged hiss of energy, a dopplering slash, a stuttering exhalation of breath. The sounds were followed by a sudden outpouring of heat from the corridor that accessed the cargo bays and what might have been interpreted as a gust of wind. Only by adjusting the input rate of its photoreceptors was the droid able to identify the blur that raced into the cabin space as a male Muun dressed in a hooded robe, trousers, and softboots that reached his shins.
Slowly surrendering energy, the bolts caromed from the deck and bulkheads, touching off alarms, prompting a switch to emergency illumination, and unleashing cascades of fire-suppressant foam from the ceiling aerosols. No sooner had the Balosar and the Dresselian entered the cabinspace than hatches sealed the corridors, preventing any escape from the melee. Only 11-4D’s ability to calculate trajectories and react instantaneously to danger kept it from being on the receiving end of any of the numerous ricochets."
His duel with Dart Venamis:
Venamis charged.
To Plagueis, lightsaber duels were tedious affairs, full of wasted emotion and needless acrobatics. Tenebrous, however, who had pronounced Plagueis a master of the art, had always enjoyed a good fight, and had clearly bequeathed that enthusiasm to his other trainee. For no sooner had the blades of their weapons clashed than Venamis began to bring the fight to him in unexpected ways, twirling his surprisingly limber body, tossing the lightsaber from hand to hand, mixing forms. At one point he leapt onto an overhanging greel branch and, when Plagueis severed it with a Force blow, hung suspended in the air—no mean feat in itself—and continued the fight, as if from high ground. Worse for Plagueis, Tenebrous had made Venamis an expert in Plagueis’s style, and so the Bith could not only anticipate but counter Plagueis’s every move. In short order, Venamis penetrated his defenses, searing the side of Plagueis’s neck.
The contest took them backward and forward through the trees, across narrow streams, and up onto piles of rocks that were the ruins of an ancient sentry post. Plagueis took a moment to wonder if anyone at the fort was observing the results of the contest, which, from afar, must have looked like lightning flashing through the forest’s understory.
Realizing that the fight could go on indefinitely, he took himself out of his body and began working his material self like a marionette, no longer on the offensive, instigating attacks, but merely responding to Venamis’s lunges and strikes. Gradually the Bith understood that something had changed—that what up until then had been a fight to the death seemed suddenly like a training exercise. Exasperated, he doubled his efforts, fighting harder, more desperately, putting more power into each maneuver and blow, and in the end surrendering his precision and accuracy.
At the height of Venamis’s attack, Plagueis came back into himself with such fury that his lightsaber became a blinding rod. A two-handed upward swing launched from between his legs caught Venamis off guard. The blade didn’t go deep enough to puncture the Bith’s lung but scorched him from chest to chin. As his large, cleft head snapped backward in retreat, Plagueis brought his lightsaber straight down, tearing Venamis’s weapon from his gloved hand and nearly taking off his long fingers, as well.
With a gesture of his other hand, Venamis called for his lightsaber, but Plagueis was a split second quicker, and the hilt shot into his own right hand. Sensing a storm of Force lightning building in the Bith, he crossed the two crimson blades in front of him and said: “Yield!”
Venamis froze, allowing the nascent storm to die away, and dropped to his knees in surrender as Sojourn’s risen primary blazed at his back through the trees.
“I submit, Darth Plagueis. I accept that I must apprentice myself to you.”
Really tho, you should just skim through Silvers Respect thread. Even if he did quote half the bloody book its got all his feats.
I dunno. TPM Qui Gon and Obi Wan could move pretty darn fast:
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not outside of that duel as I know, but he was specifically trained the beat Plagueis and managed to wound him, which makes him incredible in my mind.If you read their fight, Plagueis displays incredible prowess, able to trivialize their duel when he gets serious.
Circular logic trololol.
I think the most telling evidence of Plagueis's lightsaber prowess is that Palpatine is still afraid to take him on in a fair fight, despite their strength in the Force being very close by the time of Plagueis’s demise.
Originally posted by Master Han
Circular logic trololol.I think the most telling evidence of Plagueis's lightsaber prowess is that Palpatine is still afraid to take him on in a fair fight, despite their strength in the Force being very close by the time of Plagueis’s demise.
it was probably more because of plagueis's mastery of the force, and I believe the author states them as equals at that point anyway, because he said Plagueis COULD have beaten palpatine, meaning like a 50/50 shot